taurussvt 0 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I was wondering of anybody has seen this one before. http://www.johnmasen.com/Merchant2/merchan...Category_Code=F It looks a little different than the other pin on ones I've seen. OK, enough of that, everybody discuss now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Yeah they've been around for a long time. I had one on my first AK before I threaded it. It was fine with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted December 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 OK, well you know how the Saiga has that sleeve in front of the front sight block, actually, it's part of the sight block. Does that thing slide over the whole thing? I'm trying to avoid threading my barrel because that's means I'm gonna have to get whatever brake I'm using welded on so it can't be removed(Thank's New Jersey!) If I can just slide this thing over the end of my gun as it is and pin it on it would save me a ton of work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 OK, well you know how the Saiga has that sleeve in front of the front sight block, actually, it's part of the sight block. Does that thing slide over the whole thing? I'm trying to avoid threading my barrel because that's means I'm gonna have to get whatever brake I'm using welded on so it can't be removed(Thank's New Jersey!) If I can just slide this thing over the end of my gun as it is and pin it on it would save me a ton of work.I'm afraid you're out of luck. The outer sleeve needs to be be removed from in front of the sight tower. These were made for bare-barrelled WASRs and SARs and similar. THANKS NEW JERSEY!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted December 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Well that's kind of what I figured. It looks like my front sight block has to come off one way or another. I've got to figure out what I'm gonna do now. I replaced my front sight block about a month ago with one that had a loop for a cleaning rod and really should have cut that front piece off then. I guess I'm gonna be looking for a brass punch and bringing the gun to my job on saturday to press the thing off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saigaczech 9 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Would these work on a Saiga .308 without too many mods? I do not want to yank the sight tower and thread the barrel either. I understand that there may be barrel diameter differences, just wnated to check if anyone tried these. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 You guys hit the Tech Section and see how to get that ring off the front of the barrel. No need to exchange the whole front sight block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neurosis 0 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 You guys hit the Tech Section and see how to get that ring off the front of the barrel. No need to exchange the whole front sight block. +1 I just cut one of mine off the other day and threaded the barrel. The whole operation was done inside an hour. At least on the .308 there is no sleeve to remove in front of the FSB. Another option that may be better for you, get up with dinzag and get him to just bore one of his $20 '74 brakes out to fit over the sleeve and attach it with loctite and set screws set into drilled dimples in the sleeve. If that's not "permanent" enough for Jersey, you could have it silver soldered on instead. It would look much better than the bulky slip on brake anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 oops! Yeah...like he said ^ lol I'm pretty sure he has those already for sale anyway on his site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neurosis 0 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Jinx! Fergot about the mention bout the "permanant" restriction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Just asking so don't freak out! Not sure of the legality 922r and all that, but the "shroud" on my .223 is 18mm If legal, would there be enough "meat" left after reaming out a 14 to 24 adapter so that it could be attached to the "shroud" ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 (edited) Just asking so don't freak out! Not sure of the legality 922r and all that, but the "shroud" on my .223 is 18mm If legal, would there be enough "meat" left after reaming out a 14 to 24 adapter so that it could be attached to the "shroud" ??? Not sure what legalites you're talking about. The adapter needs to be US made as does the actual muzzle device, if you are using it for 922r compliance. Edited December 19, 2007 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I'm wondering because you would be attaching the adapter to the sleeve attached to the FSB, not the rifle barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I'm wondering because you would be attaching the adapter to the sleeve attached to the FSB, not the rifle barrel..... but the sleeve (that used to be the barrel shroud) is part of the rifle barrel/front sight block and the muzzle adapter and brake are not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 So if that is the case, we should then be able to just get the FSB/flash hider straight from Russia ??? IIRC part number 53 or 55 on page 32 of the Saiga manual Sorry, I'm confused on this one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 So if that is the case, we should then be able to just get the FSB/flash hider straight from Russia ??? IIRC part number 53 or 55 on page 32 of the Saiga manual Sorry, I'm confused on this one... The Saigas that are shipped with full military aspect use the military style removable muzzle brake. You can add a threaded AK74 type front sight block, or you can dremel the shroud and thread the barrel 14x1lh, but anything you attach must cause the rifle to stay compliant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Now I'm really confused as to what to do. The removal of that front sleeve from the FSB seems like an easy alternative to pressing it off, cutting it, and pressing it back on. Here's the deal, I don't have a Saiga FSB on my gun. I had switched it a while back to a Bulgarian one so that I could have the cleaning rod loop. I'm also aware that the Saiga barrel sticks out further than a normal AK because mine is already sticking out past the FSB a little. My FSB looks like it has provisions for the indexing pin and after cutting off the excess from the FSB threading the barrel wouldn't be much trouble at all. The problem that I run in to at that point is the whole threaded barrel in New Jersey thing. I'm not really fond of set screw installations but that may be the only real option at this point. I could use a regular muzzle brake and silver solder the thing on as well as thread it on but I'm wondering what to do about the extra length of the barrel. It's not a whole lot, about 1/8" that sticks out too far. I guess I could always use a recrowning tool to cut off that 1/8" at the end. Edited December 20, 2007 by taurussvt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. It says that it slips over the FSB shroud. I guess that would mean no cutting involved to install? BTW, I would have just looked at the installation instructions but it's a dead link. Edited December 20, 2007 by taurussvt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Now I'm really confused as to what to do. The removal of that front sleeve from the FSB seems like an easy alternative to pressing it off, cutting it, and pressing it back on. Here's the deal, I don't have a Saiga FSB on my gun. I had switched it a while back to a Bulgarian one so that I could have the cleaning rod loop. I'm also aware that the Saiga barrel sticks out further than a normal AK because mine is already sticking out past the FSB a little. My FSB looks like it has provisions for the indexing pin and after cutting off the excess from the FSB threading the barrel wouldn't be much trouble at all. The problem that I run in to at that point is the whole threaded barrel in New Jersey thing. I'm not really fond of set screw installations but that may be the only real option at this point. I could use a regular muzzle brake and silver solder the thing on as well as thread it on but I'm wondering what to do about the extra length of the barrel. It's not a whole lot, about 1/8" that sticks out too far. I guess I could always use a recrowning tool to cut off that 1/8" at the end. Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. It says that it slips over the FSB shroud. I guess that would mean no cutting involved to install? BTW, I would have just looked at the installation instructions but it's a dead link. Pictures would help, cuz I'm confused now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Same here man. I was typing a post screwed up ans lost it trying to post a pic for you. If you have already replaced the FSB with a Bulgarian one you shouldn't have a sleeve to worry about. Here's a pic of the Bulgarian FSB I put on my S-.410 and the US made '74 brake I had rethreaded to fit my .410 threads (thanks Tony!) It locks into the detent pin like it's supposed to. Edited December 20, 2007 by Cobra 76 two Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 This http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?prod...=290&page=1 is the FSB that I put on my gun. It's got the sleeve on it just like the Saiga one, and yes, my barrel does stick out past the front by about 1/8" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 This http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?prod...=290&page=1 is the FSB that I put on my gun. It's got the sleeve on it just like the Saiga one, and yes, my barrel does stick out past the front by about 1/8" Dremel that thing off, then, and get out the silver solder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neurosis 0 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. It says that it slips over the FSB shroud. I guess that would mean no cutting involved to install? BTW, I would have just looked at the installation instructions but it's a dead link. Well, I can't seem to find the post that had all of Dinzag's x39 and 223 parts for sale. But the instructions for the 410 are pretty much exactly the same as for the x39 and 223. And yes, I believe it goes over the shroud. Edited December 20, 2007 by Neurosis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Aahhhh I see, one of those critters...I thought about gtting one of them because they are so cheap..er...inexpensive. Then I found out that wasn't a bayo lug and you can't really thread them, or at least that's what I think dinzag told me... Yeah just take out the pins and knock it back off of there. Then you can cut that front part off easy without worrying about dremeling into your barrel. Then you can weld or silver solder the brake right to the FSB and still be able to take it off if you get away from Jersey some day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. It says that it slips over the FSB shroud. I guess that would mean no cutting involved to install? BTW, I would have just looked at the installation instructions but it's a dead link. Well, I can't seem to find the post that had all of Dinzag's x39 and 223 parts for sale. But the instructions for the 410 are pretty much exactly the same as for the x39 and 223. And yes, I believe it goes over the shroud. I think I know the reason dinzag's links are not working any more... well maybe not..it worked for me... Edited December 20, 2007 by Cobra 76 two Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cedricxerxes 0 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Are you talking about this? http://www.dinzagarms.com/brakes_hiders/brakes_hiders.html Links work for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. It says that it slips over the FSB shroud. I guess that would mean no cutting involved to install? BTW, I would have just looked at the installation instructions but it's a dead link. Check out Dinzag's muzzle brake, it's a slip on that goes on with minimal effort. It says that it slips over the FSB shroud. I guess that would mean no cutting involved to install? BTW, I would have just looked at the installation instructions but it's a dead link. Well, I can't seem to find the post that had all of Dinzag's x39 and 223 parts for sale. But the instructions for the 410 are pretty much exactly the same as for the x39 and 223. And yes, I believe it goes over the shroud. I think I know the reason dinzag's links are not working any more... well maybe not..it worked for me... He must be talking about the installation PDF file that's on the linked site. That's what isn't working. Edited December 20, 2007 by 22_Shooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taurussvt 0 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Well if I end up going with the slip on one that Dinzag sells I can just skip cutting anything off the barrel. I'll Drill holes in the sleeve nice and deep, almost to the barrel and use lock tite on the set screws. That should hold it on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Well if I end up going with the slip on one that Dinzag sells I can just skip cutting anything off the barrel. I'll Drill holes in the sleeve nice and deep, almost to the barrel and use lock tite on the set screws. That should hold it on. Ummm that won't work either unless you put the original FSB back on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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