Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) I'm sure some of you already knew this but I just found out when I tried to go to their site. They are in big trouble for selling "machine guns" to the American public...great.... That sucks bigtime! They had some really good deals on a lot of stuff. Here's a discussion about it on THR forum. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=63551 Edited February 12, 2008 by Cobra 76 two Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm sure some of you already knew this but I just found out when I tried to go to their site. They are in big trouble for selling "machine guns" to the American public...great.... That sucks bigtime! They had some really good deals on a lot of stuff. Here's a discussion about it on THR forum. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=63551 That sucks! My kid wanted a Tommy for graduation this year. Old School with the violin case and everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 "According to the indictment, Ulrich and Oliver Wiegand, through Interordnance of America, sold over 2000 PPSH 41, over 1000 FN FAL IMBEL and over 500 STEYR MP69 machineguns to customers throughout the United States without conducting any background checks and without recording any ownership registration information with the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. The indictment also alleges that Ulrich and Oliver Wiegand and Interordnance of America structured cash deposits in less than $10,000 increments in order to avoid the filing of currency transaction reports which is required by financial institutions. In addition, the indictment alleges that Ulrich and Oliver Wiegand and Interordnance of America used monies from the sales of the illegally imported machineguns in financial transactions to pay importation expenses, income tax expenses, and payments to a German bank account in violation of money laundering laws." source: ATF website Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 That sucks!My kid wanted a Tommy for graduation this year. Old School with the violin case and everything. Jugg - AUTOordinance makes the thompson, so your kid is all good!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 thoes asshats have it coming i bought one of thoes ppsh41s as a dummy gun and the effin ATF sent me a letter and showed up to the house i ended up giving them basically the whole kit i now have a stock and barell shroud. it just pisses me off that they were soo stupid and didnt make sure they were correctly demilled this is old news though guys that happened like 4 years ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GearHeadFTW 0 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I feel bad for anyone that bought one of those guns with a credit card. It'll be like the steriod scandles on the news where they hunted down all the people with there paper trail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) Cobra, the last post on that thread was from February 2004. The company has since been sold to new owners and this is no longer an issue. The new site is here: http://www.ioinc.us/ How about some current events? Edited February 12, 2008 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vultite 57 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 current event : my ass itches..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I got your current events... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saigaczech 9 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 The high road posts are from 2004, what has this to do with the price of tea in China today? IS there anything current that is pending on this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GearHeadFTW 0 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 The high road posts are from 2004, what has this to do with the price of tea in China today? IS there anything current that is pending on this? WOW. Thank you for that ground breaking news saigaczech. Maybe you didn't notice but that was all ready determined a few post ago. Or maybe we can all sit here and throw some gasoline into the fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 The high road posts are from 2004, what has this to do with the price of tea in China today? IS there anything current that is pending on this? WOW. Thank you for that ground breaking news saigaczech. Maybe you didn't notice but that was all ready determined a few post ago. Or maybe we can all sit here and throw some gasoline into the fire. Baawwwahhhahhhaaa!!!! I love how we forum members talk to each other. ...... ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shellshock1918 1 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I'm sure some of you already knew this but I just found out when I tried to go to their site. They are in big trouble for selling "machine guns" to the American public...great.... That sucks bigtime! They had some really good deals on a lot of stuff. Here's a discussion about it on THR forum. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=63551 That story is 3 years old...IO is in business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drooling idiot 1 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 not only still in busness but they kicked the BATF's ass in court. If i remember right, since it has been a few years ,LOL. basicly the court judgement said bullshit to the requirements of the BATFE's demil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 The company doing business now, is not the same one spoken about in Cobras post. It was sold over a year ago to new owners, and they changed the name slightly (so customers would still recognize the 'Interordnance" part, and to count as a "different company") The new owners bought all the stock and such from the sellers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Cobra, the last post on that thread was from February 2004. The company has since been sold to new owners and this is no longer an issue. The new site is here: http://www.ioinc.us/ How about some current events? hey, I also got news of some hurricane in New Orleans. The say the city might flood! On top of that O.J. has been put in jail for something to do with speeding in a white bronco. Crazy Crazy stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Maybe all you smartasses forgot to read the very first line In the very first post of the thread...here I'll retrieve it for you since it's so easy for you to remember what happened 4 years ago but you can't seem to handle going back one friggin day! "I'm sure some of you already knew this but I just found out when I tried to go to their site." Like as in...."if I had known it was old news I would not have tried to help you guys by letting you know what I found out." SCUSE the fuck outa me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DHunter 1 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) That's why I've hung-out here for so long. Can't you just feel the love? It's just one big F'@&ing dysfunctional family. Edited February 14, 2008 by DHunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) I hope the new company treats customers better than the old one did. They jerked me around a couple times, by holding my check for months till the item came in, and then ATF showed up and took ppsh kits even though I was a class two.......and just to add my nickels worth, some of the ppsh kits had just the shroud cut, so you could put the damn things in operation by just putting them back together with the front half of the shroud left off. Maybe that's why I reordered and put up with their crap............but I forget where those parts went..... ...........ahh well guess the feds got em...........and they never did bring back the ones they took ........... Edited February 14, 2008 by VanKiller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Now I know what happened dammit! I was just confusing them with someone else who I'm still getting fliers from so I thought this was something new breaking. I was thinking about Centerfire Systems, not IO.... titterpated....lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 thoes asshats have it coming i bought one of thoes ppsh41s as a dummy gun and the effin ATF sent me a letter and showed up to the house i ended up giving them basically the whole kit i now have a stock and barell shroud. it just pisses me off that they were soo stupid and didnt make sure they were correctly demilled this is old news though guys that happened like 4 years ago SO if they won the case, did moto get his PPSH back? An AR manufacturer down the street from where i work got raided last week by the ATF, i havent heard anything about what the allegations are, as its still called a pending investigation, but they did hold their obligatory BATFE Press conference with stacks and stacks of rifles in the background, and the agent in charge did make a point that "All of these guns belong to the ATF now." even though im pretty sure many were not only not in violation, but were probably private arms owned by individuals who were in good standing. I was just currious if they stand by that currious mentality, even in the case of aquittal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 The ATF has a lot of ways to jerk us manufactures around. If he had three M 16 parts in the same location / building as the AR's and was not a class 2 , he could be nailed with intent to manufacture illegal machine guns. That's the easiest gig they can pull on someone. When ATF loses a fight over seizure of items they are supposed to return the items. But , I never had the PPSH kits returned. But hell, ATF lost my change of addy when I moved from Moyock , NC .....so they were looking for me and the class 3 items for a year before I started making noises about my new liscense and and was "found" . Then I had to write a letter on why I went AWOL from my location without their knowledge........LOL....glad I had the signature card from the change of address package I sent in....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteDevil 0 Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 The company doing business now, is not the same one spoken about in Cobras post. It was sold over a year ago to new owners, and they changed the name slightly (so customers would still recognize the 'Interordnance" part, and to count as a "different company") The new owners bought all the stock and such from the sellers. Absolutely NONE of the above is true. It is still owned by Uli Wiegand. His brother, Oliver, was deported as part of the indictment plea bargain. The name change came less than a year ago because creditors kept finding out about the decade long bad reputation of Inter Ordnance and the criminal indictments. What made you think the company was sold? It is the same company, owner and staff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteDevil 0 Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I hope the new company treats customers better than the old one did. They jerked me around a couple times, by holding my check for months till the item came in, and then ATF showed up and took ppsh kits even though I was a class two.......and just to add my nickels worth, some of the ppsh kits had just the shroud cut, so you could put the damn things in operation by just putting them back together with the front half of the shroud left off. Maybe that's why I reordered and put up with their crap............but I forget where those parts went..... ...........ahh well guess the feds got em...........and they never did bring back the ones they took ........... There is no new company, just a name change and one of the German brothers was forced out of the business and deported. It is still owned by Uli Wiegand according to the North Carolina Secretary of State Incorporation online database. His brother, Oliver, was deported as part of the indictment plea bargain. The name change came less than a year ago because creditors kept finding out about the decade long bad reputation of Inter Ordnance and the criminal indictments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteDevil 0 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 not only still in busness but they kicked the BATF's ass in court. The case NEVER went to trial. No ass kicking by Ulrich, who cried continuously every day he sat in jail awaiting bail. Ulrich and Oliver Wiegand made a plea bargain (ATF got their customer list, too), which is a guilty plea and win for the government. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 ATF got their customer list, too How ghey, I'm on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 ATF got their customer list, too How ghey, I'm on it. It's a shame you lost all of your firearms in that tragic boating accident last year . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
b2673ad 0 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Great News here I just bought my Master Molder 47 round magazines from this company. It is good to know that I am now on the ATF list! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Great News here I just bought my Master Molder 47 round magazines from this company. It is good to know that I am now on the ATF list! It's OK, you were with shaneman on his boat, when both of your firearms collections went under. You don't own anymore guns . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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