$1,900 Saiga 12???

[TNT-Saiga 0]

I may be new to this site, however I am not new to firearms, Commerce or Saiga's but $1900...medic.

 

PT Barnum said it best "A fool and his money are soon parted"

 

He also said this.

 

PRESERVE YOUR INTEGRITY

It is more precious than diamonds or rubies. The old miser said

to his sons: "Get money; get it honestly, if you can, but get

money." This advice was not only atrociously wicked, but it

was the very essence of stupidity. It was as much as to say,

"if you find it difficult to obtain money honestly, you can

easily get it dishonestly. Get it in that way." Poor fool! Not

to know that the most difficult thing in life is to make money

dishonestly! not to know that our prisons are full of men who

attempted to follow this advice; not to understand that no man

can be dishonest, without soon being found out, and that when

his lack of principle is discovered, nearly every avenue to

success is closed against him forever. The public very properly

shun all whose integrity is doubted. No matter how polite and

pleasant and accommodating a man may be, none of us dare to

deal with him if we suspect "false weights and measures."

Strict honesty, not only lies at the foundation of all success

in life (financially), but in every other respect.

Uncompromising integrity of character is invaluable. It secures

to its possessor a peace and joy which cannot be attained

without it--which no amount of money, or houses and lands can

purchase. A man who is known to be strictly honest, may be ever

so poor, but he has the purses of all the community at his

disposal--for all know that if he promises to return what he

borrows, he will never disappoint them. As a mere matter of

selfishness, therefore, if a man had no higher motive for being

honest, all will find that the maxim of Dr. Franklin can never

fail to be true, that "honesty is the best policy."

To get rich, is not always equivalent to being successful.

"There are many rich poor men," while there are many others,

honest and devout men and women, who have never possessed so

much money as some rich persons squander in a week, but who are

nevertheless really richer and happier than any man can ever be

while he is a transgressor of the higher laws of his being.

The inordinate love of money, no doubt, may be and is "the root

of all evil," but money itself, when properly used, is not only

a "handy thing to have in the house," but affords the

gratification of blessing our race by enabling its possessor to

enlarge the scope of human happiness and human influence. The

desire for wealth is nearly universal, and none can say it is

not laudable, provided the possessor of it accepts its

responsibilities, and uses it as a friend to humanity.

The history of money-getting, which is commerce, is a history

of civilization, and wherever trade has flourished most, there,

too, have art and science produced the noblest fruits. In fact,

as a general thing, money-getters are the benefactors of our

race. To them, in a great measure, are we indebted for our

institutions of learning and of art, our academies, colleges

and churches. It is no argument against the desire for, or the

possession of, wealth, to say that there are sometimes misers

who hoard money only for the sake of hoarding and who have no

higher aspiration than to grasp everything which comes within

their reach. As we have sometimes hypocrites in religion, and

demagogues in politics, so there are occasionally misers among

money-getters. These, however, are only exceptions to the

general rule. But when, in this country, we find such a

nuisance and stumbling block as a miser, we remember with

gratitude that in America we have no laws of primogeniture, and

that in the due course of nature the time will come when the

hoarded dust will be scattered for the benefit of mankind. To

all men and women, therefore, do I conscientiously say, make

money honestly, and not otherwise, for Shakespeare has truly

said, "He that wants money, means, and content, is without

three good friends."

[Azrial 1,091]

I may be new to this site, however I am not new to firearms, Commerce or Saiga's but $1900...medic.

 

PT Barnum said it best "A fool and his money are soon parted"

He also said this.

 

PRESERVE YOUR INTEGRITY

It is more precious than diamonds or rubies. The old miser said

to his sons: "Get money; get it yada, yada, yada...

Welcome to the site, but exactly what did this exceeding long cut and paste have to do with the high cost of this particular Saiga shotgun, or Saiga shotguns in general?

 

Are you implying that the seller is dishonest simply because he places a high value on his work? Or that he lacks integrity for not admitting he has no clue in how to properly mount an HK sight?

 

Thanks for your attempt to join the conversation, and as a fellow member I encourage it, but be aware, all of our computers have access to Google as well.

[Caspian 32]

Azrial,

Did you read it? can you give me the cliff notes version? I don't want to waste 20 minutes of my life that i'll never get back.

 

Caspian

[TNT-Saiga 0]

Azrial & Caspian,

 

LOL sorry for the "exceeding long cut and paste". I am also not saying the sellar is dishonest or speaking of his or her integrity.

 

I just thought it was way to much money for a modified Saiga!

 

When I looked up the fool and his money quote(on google that we all have) I read (it didnt take me 20 minutes but I read fast...) PT Barnum writing on PRESERVE YOUR INTEGRITY and thought it was cool since it still applies today.

 

Once again didnt mean to waste bandwidth or waste 20 minutes of anyones life.

 

Tony

Edited March 9, 2008 by TNT-Saiga

[gpqueen 545]

This guy sold one before for $1800 two weeks ago.

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=92928204

 

He used to sell through this other dealer who usually sold them for $1250-$1500, But had one sell for $2050 last month so he is now selling them himself without the dealer. I think the dealer was having so many problems with these not cycling anything that he will not sell them anymore.

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=92128729

[TNT-Saiga 0]

Ryan316...Fool and his money...lol add tonygunman65 to the list!

Edited March 10, 2008 by TNT-Saiga

[MD_Willington 11]

Today I went and had a look around a gunshow in Idaho..

 

OEM S.308 asking price $450

OEM S.223 asking price $329

 

crazy!

[elvis christ 451]

I may be new to this site, however I am not new to firearms, Commerce or Saiga's but $1900...medic.

 

PT Barnum said it best "A fool and his money are soon parted"

 

He also said this.

 

PRESERVE YOUR INTEGRITY

It is more precious than diamonds or rubies. The old miser said

to his sons: "Get money; get it honestly, if you can, but get

money." This advice was not only atrociously wicked, but it

was the very essence of stupidity. It was as much as to say,

"if you find it difficult to obtain money honestly, you can

easily get it dishonestly. Get it in that way." Poor fool! Not

to know that the most difficult thing in life is to make money

dishonestly! not to know that our prisons are full of men who

attempted to follow this advice; not to understand that no man

can be dishonest, without soon being found out, and that when

his lack of principle is discovered, nearly every avenue to

success is closed against him forever. The public very properly

shun all whose integrity is doubted. No matter how polite and

pleasant and accommodating a man may be, none of us dare to

deal with him if we suspect "false weights and measures."

Strict honesty, not only lies at the foundation of all success

in life (financially), but in every other respect.

Uncompromising integrity of character is invaluable. It secures

to its possessor a peace and joy which cannot be attained

without it--which no amount of money, or houses and lands can

purchase. A man who is known to be strictly honest, may be ever

so poor, but he has the purses of all the community at his

disposal--for all know that if he promises to return what he

borrows, he will never disappoint them. As a mere matter of

selfishness, therefore, if a man had no higher motive for being

honest, all will find that the maxim of Dr. Franklin can never

fail to be true, that "honesty is the best policy."

To get rich, is not always equivalent to being successful.

"There are many rich poor men," while there are many others,

honest and devout men and women, who have never possessed so

much money as some rich persons squander in a week, but who are

nevertheless really richer and happier than any man can ever be

while he is a transgressor of the higher laws of his being.

The inordinate love of money, no doubt, may be and is "the root

of all evil," but money itself, when properly used, is not only

a "handy thing to have in the house," but affords the

gratification of blessing our race by enabling its possessor to

enlarge the scope of human happiness and human influence. The

desire for wealth is nearly universal, and none can say it is

not laudable, provided the possessor of it accepts its

responsibilities, and uses it as a friend to humanity.

The history of money-getting, which is commerce, is a history

of civilization, and wherever trade has flourished most, there,

too, have art and science produced the noblest fruits. In fact,

as a general thing, money-getters are the benefactors of our

race. To them, in a great measure, are we indebted for our

institutions of learning and of art, our academies, colleges

and churches. It is no argument against the desire for, or the

possession of, wealth, to say that there are sometimes misers

who hoard money only for the sake of hoarding and who have no

higher aspiration than to grasp everything which comes within

their reach. As we have sometimes hypocrites in religion, and

demagogues in politics, so there are occasionally misers among

money-getters. These, however, are only exceptions to the

general rule. But when, in this country, we find such a

nuisance and stumbling block as a miser, we remember with

gratitude that in America we have no laws of primogeniture, and

that in the due course of nature the time will come when the

hoarded dust will be scattered for the benefit of mankind. To

all men and women, therefore, do I conscientiously say, make

money honestly, and not otherwise, for Shakespeare has truly

said, "He that wants money, means, and content, is without

three good friends."

 

 

TLNR.

 

 

But back on topic, I guess y'all are right, something is only worth what someone will pay for it. So if someone will pay a ridiculous amount for a gun that (to us) isn't worth it, then it must be worth it.

[Azrial 1,091]

Once again didn't mean to waste bandwidth or waste 20 minutes of anyones life.

Don't sweat it Tony! You will see far worst here! Welcome to the site! Besides, it isn't near as bad as repeating the whole damn post like some folks felt the need to do...

[vspdave 0]

I notice a stock NIB S12 19" just sold on GB for $599 - There was only a couple for sale and $560 looks to be the cheapest. I think we are going to see $600+ as common in a couple more weeks.

[ar15pistolpimp 0]

no more than $200

 

1900 is way excessive but that ace folder setup is about 150. Ace thinks a lot of their folding mechanism and internal block. More than 200 in parts there for sure.

first thing I noticed from the picture.

[ar15pistolpimp 0]

no more than $200

 

1900 is way excessive but that ace folder setup is about 150. Ace thinks a lot of their folding mechanism and internal block. More than 200 in parts there for sure.

first thing I noticed from the picture.

If you think $1900 is high look at this one, ewwwww weeeeee. This fuctard is crazy as hell. Some one call the police this guys is flat out stealin.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=94590389

Edited March 11, 2008 by ar15pistolpimp

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

Another Pimp! Seems to be a "barrel o pimps" lately.

[vjor 2]

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=94230352

 

WHAT?

 

LOL, let see how much will cost to do a conversion like the one on the pic

for one of the guys that say they can do it.

 

ACE , pistol grip, internal block, hinge and butt stock

I can get it for 174.00

FCG about 40.00

flash hider about 40.00 to 60.00

HK sights about 40. to 50.00

Nut and bolt for grip about 5.00

and gun about 400.00 if got one.

 

About 699.00 OK now that does not include , full finish with gunkote, duracote, moly resin or cerakote

not including media blasting of the gun, no fill of holes on receiver with tig welder, cut of vents on front hand grip

plus labor and shipping of parts, no cutting of the HK sights and weld work, oh forgot have to weld the Trigger

guard or install a new one and mod it to look good on the 12G. I think is a lot of work if you doing it the right way.

 

Now if you are a pro, the gun have to come out of the shop ready for business, no bullshit

about I have to tweak it here and there, in few the maker have to make sure it fully works

and fully finish before it goes out the door. That can even mean press GB off to over size

the gas port holes in barrel, and tweak the feeding on the gun to use any shells the customer

is going to feed the beast with.

 

I am not defending any one but hey I have done some stuff, and is not easy

been cheesy.

 

But what do I know. :D :D :D :D :D :D LOL.

 

 

PS: Yes the price can be a little to much but each its own.

Edited March 11, 2008 by vjor

[pistol fixer 0]

the $1900 does seem a little high. we don't know what he had to pay for the stock S-12 , although we have a good idea about what he has in parts. if there were 100's of conv, S-12's on gun broker then the price would not be $1200 that Atlantic gets for them(oh, they are out of stock also). The price you have to pay for one is what ever the market will bare.

 

Now for the one AR15 PISTOL PIMP is showing us. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=94590389

where he states "This fuctard is crazy as hell" is this the same gun as we are shown in the following post ?

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=24013 it sure looks like it to me. Same brown carpet and all.

 

I will have to take up for AR 15 pistol Pimp on the price. 3k may be alittle high, but if you notice he states that he does not want to sell it . He just wants you to go to his Web sight so he can teach you how to build AK's

[ar15pistolpimp 0]

the $1900 does seem a little high. we don't know what he had to pay for the stock S-12 , although we have a good idea about what he has in parts. if there were 100's of conv, S-12's on gun broker then the price would not be $1200 that Atlantic gets for them(oh, they are out of stock also). The price you have to pay for one is what ever the market will bare.

 

Now for the one AR15 PISTOL PIMP is showing us. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=94590389

where he states "This fuctard is crazy as hell" is this the same gun as we are shown in the following post ?

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=24013 it sure looks like it to me. Same brown carpet and all.

 

I will have to take up for AR 15 pistol Pimp on the price. 3k may be alittle high, but if you notice he states that he does not want to sell it . He just wants you to go to his Web sight so he can teach you how to build AK's

read post 42. I listed it as a joke. Its my GUN. You guys would be great working for the ATF

[vspdave 0]

Good one!

 

How much did your auction cost?

 

I think I'm putting some S12's on GB with these prices $650 for a stocker!! SELL SELL SELL

[Bvamp 604]

you might want to get an FFL and attach a manufacturer';s license to it!!!! then price it at 650. It aint happening.

[Ryan316 0]

Wow, since I actually AM Ryan316 & saw my own name in few posts above being slammed by some fat retard named Saiga TNT standing next to some hoopdies, let me take a few minutes to join this site and reply:

 

#1. I simply LIKED this gun better than the Tromix versions, kinda like some people like Mustangs and some like Camaros. So sue me! I will get the SAW grip though, as it does fit my hand better.

 

#2. I get paid pretty well. If I want to spend $1800 on a gun, I will. When I bought it, the actual auction wasn't for a while & it wasn't worth my time to try to get it for $100 cheaper in a silly auction battle that I may have lost (Arsenals & Saigas are hot these days). When I want something, I get it. I don't have time to spend HOURS on the internet looking around, shaving off nickels and dimes, to get the absolute best possible price. For full disclosure, where I am, (hint: K-Ville) they START at $600 unmodified IF you can find them, so everybody starting my pricing at $480 and $560, correct your figures. To boot, no one had them here when I bought it and I don't do "waiting lists." If the general opinion is that I overpaid by a little or a lot, that's fine, I'm not worried, I think I can afford it. You look like you could use a new wardrobe though, Saiga TNT. Was I thrilled to pay $1800 for it? No. Will I even remember what I paid 12 months from now? haha, normally, I'd say no, but I guess after writing this, it'll stay in my head a little longer.

 

#3. A few posts up from here, there's a guy who broke the costs down. No offense, but you forgot the bolt hold open button & mechanism (& barrel modifications-he shortened it). That was another reason I liked this one better because my M3 Benelli has that feature & I like it & I didn't see any Tromixes that had it. Even if they did, I really still liked this one better. OH GOD, wait - I said I had a Benelli, I guess that's too much for the fat retard Saiga TNT to contemplate spending money on either! I'm sorry, forget I mentioned that. I guess I shouldn't talk about anything that adds up to more value than the hoopdies in your pic.

 

#4. Time wasn't factored into that cost breakdown either. I'm not a professional gunsmith. I have no desire to be one either, it just isn't my thing & I don't have the time for it. To those reading this that are, that's great and you have my respect. I was told at my local gun shop that I'd have to drive about 2 hours to get to a guy that could do what I wanted and that I should expect to be there all day. Even if there was someone else closer, I don't have the time to go through the phone book or word of mouth to find him. Time is money to me and my free time is near priceless. My hat's off to the guy here that had TIME to go backtrack my Saiga 12 purchase on gunbroker, I truly envy you, I wish I had free time like that, lol! This gunbroker seller's deal, I could get exactly what I wanted shipped to a location 6 miles from home. No fuss, no muss. Again...sue me.

 

#5. I just found this post & forum tonight (I wrote this Sat) looking for info on AGP mags and I read the points here about the HK sights being on backwards & I went & checked mine. He seems to have remedied this problem, mine are fine, but again, its a shotgun, folks, I'm not taking people out at Dragunov ranges with it (yeah, I got one of those, too). Also, where the center bead in the sight is, it really looks like you could get the same accuracy either way installed. To explain slowly to you, Saiga TNT, it means that the pic he's using is just for advertisement and they aren't an exact match. No, buddy, the serial numbers don't match the pic either.

 

#6. It cycles and fires fine. I absolutely love it. Ummmm...isn't that the important thing here, that I'M happy with it & not what a hater quoting PT Barnum on a gun forum thinks? Or anyone for that matter?

 

#7 If and when Obama gets in, what I paid will be nothing. And NO, I don't vote for Democrats. My deepest sypmathy for the fools that do though.

 

#8 Yeah, I liked the red and white writing, too.

 

#9 Next time I buy a gun or a car or a bottle of Coke, I will check with Saiga TNT & the other "haters" here to make sure its ok that I buy it. The rest of you guys should, too. I paid 75 cents for a can of coke at a store one time years ago because I was thirsty and didn't have time to drive across town to a gas station that had it for 50 cents. Are the haters starting to see my point yet? Probably not...

 

For those that are offended by my comments, I sincerely do apologize. I hope at least this was a more entertaining read than the Barnum quote above (yawn). Sorry for the length also, once I get going, I like to cover all bases. I just don't appreciate being criticized by name by someone who has no flippin idea who I am or what I like. For those that think I got ripped off, fine, that's your opinion but I gotta take a stand at the word "fool" being thrown around. Up until that point, I was amused by all the hating going on. I know, I know, I hear it all the time - I'm an arrogant bastard, I'm mean and I need to get my butt kicked. I'm sure Saiga TNT will have his panties or Depends diapers in a bunch when he reads this, but hey, who stepped way out of line first? By the way, congrats to him for living in the only city in America worse than mine!

[vjor 2]

Ryan316 yes brother I left a lot out of the price, I was not attacking U at all, just that a lot

of this guys can even change a hand guard much less do a fully finish gun, and I don't mean

just clamp on stuff I mean fully finish, but hey is a lot of people that are experts at talk the talk

but when it comes to walk the walk, no way Jose in few a lot of this guys buy there guns

cant do gunsmith, but are experts when comes to talk about some else gun.

 

I just show a little of how much some stuff cost to make on my other post and

that is not a complete cost on a lot of stuff that can be done to a gun to look tits.

 

Any way I am out of here, back to building a FAL out of scratch.

Edited March 18, 2008 by vjor

[Ryan316 0]

Ryan316 yes brother I left a lot out of the price, I was not attacking U at all, just that a lot

of this guys can even change a hand guard much less do a fully finish gun, and I don't mean

just clamp on stuff I mean fully finish, but hey is a lot of people that are experts at talk the talk

but when it comes to walk the walk, no way Jose in few a lot of this guys buy there guns

cant do gunsmith, but are experts when comes to talk about some else gun.

 

I just show a little of how much some stuff cost to make on my other post and

that is not a complete cost on a lot of stuff that can be done to a gun to look tits.

 

Any way I am out of here, back to building a FAL out of scratch.

 

 

 

No, VJOR, I didn't take any offense to what you wrote, I thought you were pretty unbiased actually and I appreciated it. I think its pretty obvious the type of people I was aiming at here.

 

I'm out of here too, Good Luck with the FAL, I always liked those.

[TNT-Saiga 0]

Ryan,

 

Sorry for calling you a fool. I didnt mean to offend you, I was just joking about what I thought was a high price on the Saiga.

 

Enjoy your Saiga...Peace

 

Tony

Edited March 22, 2008 by TNT-Saiga

[OC80mg 0]

Look at these auctions, this little gem sold for $1525:

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91285302

 

and this one for $2000 MY GOD!

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=92128729

 

I guess that's what this free enterprise economy is about, if somebody is willing to buy it at such a ridiculous price, why not sell it as such.

[nib 1]

I own 2 Rising Sun weapons. A 5.45 krink and a Saiga 12

I also own 2 Tromix Saiga 12s.

 

When comparing welds and finish on these thay are quite comparable.

 

If you notice in the photos of the front sites one is high and one is lower.

The later builds have the lower mounted sites and sites facing in the correct direction.

I have an earlier Saiga with the G3 site on backwards and It looks fine.

I did not even notice it. But, to each his own.

 

As far is the price I paid a LOT less for my S12 that Rising Sun built for me.

I think a FFL ordered these builds from RST and they priced them for the market value (if you want one today kinda pricing.)

 

I do have Rising Sun Tacticals information if anyone wants to get one built.

I am not affiliated with this company AT ALL I am just happy with this builder that I stumbled upon while at an Arizona gun show.

Also, I am not sure of the advertising rules here so moderators help me out If I am out of line.