wally 2 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 shot my S308 and yugo under folder,ammo used 308-yugo surplus,x39 -wolf and golden tiger 50 yards, target on left is the 308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Looks like consistant groupings why are they in different locations? Did you use a scope? Just curious,.. shot my S308 and yugo under folder,ammo used 308-yugo surplus,x39 -wolf and golden tiger 50 yards, target on left is the 308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 left target was a S308 the other a yugo AK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saigaczech 9 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Were those full size B27s or the reduced? It looks like you need to adjust the windage on both guns too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) targets are reduced,about 14 inches wide and around 30 inches long Edited March 16, 2008 by pvt joker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
withergyld 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 What ammo were you using in your .308?? It looks like at least three of the shots you fired "keyholed" This would indicate that the bullets are not stabilizing properly in your rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 308 ammo was lithuanian 146 grain,I know I need to shoot 168gr ammo but Im not going to waste my FED gold medal match in a blaster S308,have shot 150gr federal and remington without any tumblinging-keyhole problems Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Gas Gaint,irons at 50 yards on both rifles,shooting from a bench with rifle sitting on my range bag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 What ammo were you using in your .308?? It looks like at least three of the shots you fired "keyholed" This would indicate that the bullets are not stabilizing properly in your rifle. You may want to tighten the staples up on the targets before coming to that conclusion. I know I see this on a windy day when the target isn't totally secured to the surface. If they're loose and flappin' in the wind, it can make a similar effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acercanto 6 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Okay, not to bash anyone or anything, but I can hit shotgun shells off the 50 yard line about 75% of the time in the first or second shot with irons on the bench, and I don't claim to be any sort of good shot or anything. That seems like an awfully large grouping for being on the bench. It's also entirely possible that I'm missing something and am completely off in left field. Just an observation... Acer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 He did say he was shooting golden tiger and not quality ammo or handloads. The irons on the saiga are less than stellar to begin with, so adding crap ammo to the mix, I can sorta see how those groups came to be, sorta... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr. fudd 0 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Golden Tiger is actually half way decent ammo. Sure, it's not Blackhills match, but it's quite a bit better than Wolf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Okay, not to bash anyone or anything, but I can hit shotgun shells off the 50 yard line about 75% of the time in the first or second shot with irons on the bench, and I don't claim to be any sort of good shot or anything. That seems like an awfully large grouping for being on the bench. It's also entirely possible that I'm missing something and am completely off in left field. Just an observation... Acer I believe it's a smaller target, so it's not as bad as it looks. Maybe a little rapid fire in there too. Maybe he's just screwing with our heads Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 both targets are hanging on a standard house door,they are about 14 inches wide and 30 inches long Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Nice, I was thinking about using a door for my next tagret match let's see the back side! both targets are hanging on a standard house door,they are about 14 inches wide and 30 inches long Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maniac Jack 2 Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) I'm not kicking anyone around here either, but last time I went out, I was nailing pop cans at the hundred yard mark, one after the other, with my 16" S-.308. I was using South African surplus and Prvi Partizan .308 145grn. I guess those targets must have been from the entire day of shooting, perhaps? I hardly ever shoot paper, (mainly old TVs and computers that failed to agree with me) so I wouldn't have a clue what a good group is on paper. Edited March 25, 2008 by Maniac Jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sggrosso 0 Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I like to make it easy with the iron sights and blow up two liter bottles full of water and later on sand/dirt. But that looks like crappy grouping from a saiga unless it was rapid fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 C'mon guys, give the guy a break. Besides, think about it, it's a 308. You hit a person anywhere in the chest with a 308 and he's guaranteed DOA or severely wounded. I'd say he's an ok shot. Remember my story about the local LEO that couldn't hit the target with the AR-15 at less range? The same dude that told me that AK's aren't accurate. Maybe he also had a best correctable vision less than 20/20. I've actually seen that. I know people with vision that won't correct to 20/20 regardless of whatever contacts or glasses they wear. It's got something to do with corneal shape I think. Others over-correct (me) to better than 20/20. Mine corrects to 20/10 with contacts yet I'm a 20/500 without! Again, something to do with corneal shape. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) C'mon guys, give the guy a break. Besides, think about it, it's a 308. You hit a person anywhere in the chest with a 308 and he's guaranteed DOA or severely wounded. I'd say he's an ok shot. Remember my story about the local LEO that couldn't hit the target with the AR-15 at less range? The same dude that told me that AK's aren't accurate. Maybe he also had a best correctable vision less than 20/20. I've actually seen that. I know people with vision that won't correct to 20/20 regardless of whatever contacts or glasses they wear. It's got something to do with corneal shape I think. Others over-correct (me) to better than 20/20. Mine corrects to 20/10 with contacts yet I'm a 20/500 without! Again, something to do with corneal shape. I think what you are referring to is an astigmatism, or irregular (egg) shape of the cornea. It can make it impossible to focus vertical and horizontal objects simultaneously. Like, a telephone wire would be in focus, but the pole would be blurry. Way to change the subject. Edited March 27, 2008 by shaneman153a Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acercanto 6 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Sorry man, I wasn't trying to start a bashing. I was just curious. I mean, all he posted was the targets and some stats, so I assume he was looking for feedback or something, so that's what I gave. Curiously, Acer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakemccoy 0 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) I understand the target is 14" x 30". Even still, from a bench at 50 yards, it seems like you should be able to get all shots within the 9 ring. In a real life situation, you have to expect a certain amount of inaccuracy outside of what you have here. I'm guessing the 9 ring is about 4" x 6". That seems completely doable from a bench at 50 yards with iron sights. With this grouping from a bench at 50 yards, I'd be keenly interested in figuring out how to tighten the group. Edited March 27, 2008 by jakemccoy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maniac Jack 2 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I'm gonna kick myself in the balls on this one. Ya know, upon further relection, the target on the right is a pretty damn good group for a life-size target and taking into account how many rounds were fired. One thing is for sure, I think he killed both of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 The targets ARE NOT life sized see for yourself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
engbob 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 well, maybe he's shooting children. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 zombie kids Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 So in essence, you placed all your shots inside a 6 x 6 inch area at 50 yards standing. Sounds pretty damn good to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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