shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) Nalioth - All Saigas might have the "case neck step/ring", but mine does not. I have five Fiocchi brass cases with no mark on the neck of any of them. The Saiga is a Sporter model, certificate 26 February 2009. I looked carefully at the photos in the Sticky for neck expansion for Saigas, but do not have that at all. No big deal, just that this one does not have that "feature". I just lucked out with dimples, a PG hole and no "civilian chamber magic". sailor You definitely lucked out getting all 3 features, (barrel w/ mil-spec chamber, magwell dimples, factory pg hole), on a standard "sporter" Saiga rifle. Perhaps you should go pick up a couple lotto tickets. Edited November 16, 2009 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 i need to pick up some brass and see for myself. i have the dimples and factory PG hole but havent run brass thru it yet. anyone seen any with all 4 features? (PG hole, dimples, milspec chamber and 3rd axis location) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 My 09 Saiga has dimples, pistol grip nut hole, but has a stepped case mouth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) I got 'no-step' casings and std magwell dimples. Its 12/16/08 mfg date (according to the book). No cross-hatch pattern. PG hole was already cut also. Edited November 26, 2009 by YouWontHearItComing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailor 6 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I didn't think of it before, but no "cross hatch" on mine, either - I guess that makes 4 plus's, on top of being a Saiga. I was reading on another site about an AR 15 with a serious KABOOM!. Some one mentioned the AK's don't do that , at least no one came up with an example. I guess any machine can "do it wrong", but I have complete trust in my "Russian girl", as some poster says. sailor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icefire 10 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) Just picked up my brand new Saiga 7.62 yesterday. Its a 09 by the stamping and 03/2009 from the certificate book, has dimples, looks like threaded barrel,does not ring cases, and has the x stamping. Looks like the PG hole is cut, but I'm not sure, (bad light).Havent taken off the handguard yet to look for the grooves, as soon as I do, I'll post here, with pics, too, of course..I'll post the pix tommorow. My FIRST Saiga!!! IT'S here!!..... Edited January 25, 2010 by icefire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Just picked up my brand new Saiga 7.62 yesterday. Its a 09 by the stamping and book, has dimples, looks like threaded barrel, does not ring cases, and has the x and y stampings. Havent taken off the handguard yet to look foir the grooves, as soon as I do, I'll post here, with pics, too, of course.. My FIRST Saiga!!! IT'S here!!..... Please post a picture of the side of the receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icefire 10 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Been trying to post reciever pics of my New 09 Saiga all morning, all I get is error messages, "upload failed, contact system administrator"...As soon as it really works, I will post them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icefire 10 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Just picked up my brand new Saiga 7.62 yesterday. Its a 09 by the stamping and book, has dimples, looks like threaded barrel, does not ring cases, and has the x and y stampings. Havent taken off the handguard yet to look foir the grooves, as soon as I do, I'll post here, with pics, too, of course.. My FIRST Saiga!!! IT'S here!!..... Please post a picture of the side of the receiver. Ok, here it is, 09 saiga 7.62 with dimples Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Thanks. Check page 1 post #10. You'll see what is referred to as the "Y stamp", this indicates, a full auto receiver. Its where the 3rd axis pin would go if there were a hole in that "Y". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icefire 10 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Thanks. Check page 1 post #10. You'll see what is referred to as the "Y stamp", this indicates, a full auto receiver. Its where the 3rd axis pin would go if there were a hole in that "Y". Thanks. saw that after I posted. I guess I have some of the mil features, but not all 5..interesting, these Saigas...they're like a box of chocolates, "ya never know what yer gonna get"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Thanks. Check page 1 post #10. You'll see what is referred to as the "Y stamp", this indicates, a full auto receiver. Its where the 3rd axis pin would go if there were a hole in that "Y". Thanks. saw that after I posted. I guess I have some of the mil features, but not all 5..interesting, these Saigas...they're like a box of chocolates, "ya never know what yer gonna get"... There is a link floating around somewhere to the BATFE about that thrid Y stamp in the receiver. They are on the look out for them. I doubt we as consumers will be seeing any more new production Saigas with that "feature". It would be a cool conversation piece tho! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rickyblaze 8 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I found a dimpled receiver with a threaded barrel at a gun shop close by. Only problem is I did'nt take it with me and put it on layaway. I'll have it next week, can't wait to see what it has Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Utah_Jay 2 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 I have an 09 I think. Mine has the dimples. My pistol grip hole was already cut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Thanks. Check page 1 post #10. You'll see what is referred to as the "Y stamp", this indicates, a full auto receiver. Its where the 3rd axis pin would go if there were a hole in that "Y". Thanks. saw that after I posted. I guess I have some of the mil features, but not all 5..interesting, these Saigas...they're like a box of chocolates, "ya never know what yer gonna get"... There is a link floating around somewhere to the BATFE about that thrid Y stamp in the receiver. They are on the look out for them. I doubt we as consumers will be seeing any more new production Saigas with that "feature". It would be a cool conversation piece tho! Third "Y"s are fine. They exist on many factory AKs. It's the spot welded plug in them that the revenuers are looking for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iyaoyas98 6 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I had sent my Saiga to Cadiz for some warranty, apparently there is a list published by the ATF that discriminates against certain lots of serial numbers. Tom said they had to run my serial #, it came back clean. If it hadn't they would have kept/destroyed it and sent me a new one. Per Tom, This was mainly an issue with guns manufactured around '06. I don't like that idea at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-OD 0 Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 My 09 Saiga has dimples, pistol grip nut hole, but has a stepped case mouth. [/quote What is a stepped case mouth?.....Is this desirable?....and how do i tell?....Just picked up a 7.62x39 last night. Im gonna post some pics it has dimples but some of the markings are different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-OD 0 Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Ok here are some not so great pics. Mine pretty much resembles the one a few posts above...looks like born on date of 1-29-09 It definately has dimples...and under the two symbols on the front lower right it has mk103 and the date, some kind of cryllic on right front upper part also...hopefully y'all can see this Guess I will have to take the dust cover off to see if there is a PG hole Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-OD 0 Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 more pics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sumsky 115 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Thanks. Check page 1 post #10. You'll see what is referred to as the "Y stamp", this indicates, a full auto receiver. Its where the 3rd axis pin would go if there were a hole in that "Y". Thanks. saw that after I posted. I guess I have some of the mil features, but not all 5..interesting, these Saigas...they're like a box of chocolates, "ya never know what yer gonna get"... Have we found out anymore info on which rifles are coming out of the factory with the goodies? or like icefire says ( these Saigas...they're like a box of chocolates, "ya never know what yer gonna get"... ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ae13291 3 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 from the pics i can see is all 09 7.62X39's have the dimples. my march 09 rifle has the dimples, pg hole, notches on the barral, notch vut on the front of the barral. i do not have the threaded barral on my gun, but i have not shot brass to see if the case has the swell on it, on wolf ammo there is no indication of a case neck swelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 from the pics i can see is all 09 7.62X39's have the dimples. my march 09 rifle has the dimples, pg hole, notches on the barral, notch vut on the front of the barral. i do not have the threaded barral on my gun, but i have not shot brass to see if the case has the swell on it, on wolf ammo there is no indication of a case neck swelling If your rifle had a "stepped" chamber, there'd be obvious evidence of it on your expended cartridges, even on steel ones. Congrats on having a military barrel, even if it's not threaded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ae13291 3 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 ^^^ thanks for the reply. would the step really show on a steel case? i was going to buy some brass to find out. so i have no step in my chamber if it dident show on steel case? nice to know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 from the pics i can see is all 09 7.62X39's have the dimples. my march 09 rifle has the dimples, pg hole, notches on the barral, notch vut on the front of the barral. i do not have the threaded barral on my gun, but i have not shot brass to see if the case has the swell on it, on wolf ammo there is no indication of a case neck swelling If your rifle had a "stepped" chamber, there'd be obvious evidence of it on your expended cartridges, even on steel ones. Congrats on having a military barrel, even if it's not threaded. Whats the big thing about having a non-stepped barrel. There is no accuracy loss or any negative effect on the bullet. Is it just an esthetic thing? If so wouldnt that be voided if you put a lets say ar type collapsing stock, or a non authentic PG, on the rifle because that wouldnt be authentic to ak's. I really don't understand the negitive feed back on steped barrels, they still perform just as well if not better in some cases than non stepped arsenal sgl barrels. Correct me if im wrong, I am just wondering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 ^^^ thanks for the reply. would the step really show on a steel case?... Yep, it would. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ae13291 3 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 ^^^ thanks for the reply. would the step really show on a steel case?... Yep, it would. nice!! knowing that i have a military barral kinda made my day. yes thank you very much, its weird how there was no threads on the muzzle tho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) I have been considering getting a 7.62x39 Saiga. I must have one with dimples. I absolutely do not want the stepped barrel. I know it doesn't hurt anything, but I just don't want it. Does anyone know of a dealer that has enough knowledge of their product to tell me whether or not the rifles they have in stock have the non-stepped barrel and dimples? I have been attempting to do business with a company that can't seem to identify canted sights (3 AKs sent back so far on one transaction due to canted sights), so I'm not even going to try getting one from them. It would be worth paying a little more to someone else that knows their product, to me. Any help/input appreciated. Edited April 20, 2010 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ae13291 3 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 armsofamerica is a good place. andrew knows his stuff.he should be able to get one with dimples for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobsolla 7 Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 my dimpled saiga 7.62 had a pistol grip hole already and a threaded barrel!it`s an 3- 2009 model! my dimpled saiga 7.62 had a pistol grip hole already and a threaded barrel!it`s an 3- 2009 model! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 armsofamerica is a good place. andrew knows his stuff.he should be able to get one with dimples for you. Thank you for the lead. I just got another AR15 today and it will be a couple weeks before I can jump, but I'll call and see if I can talk to Andrew. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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