kajvid 0 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Hello- New guy to the Forum and Saiga in general. I have a .223 Kel-Tec already. The much more sturdy Saiga is next on my list. My first inclination is to go with 7.62. And then I started think about a Saiga .223 to keep ammo to one caliber. The 7.62 just seems more "traditional" for the AK design. I am going back and forth! Why did you go .223 over 7.62? Somebody please talk me into the .223! Kajvid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo.Kermes 1 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Hello- New guy to the Forum and Saiga in general. I have a .223 Kel-Tec already. The much more sturdy Saiga is next on my list. My first inclination is to go with 7.62. And then I started think about a Saiga .223 to keep ammo to one caliber. The 7.62 just seems more "traditional" for the AK design. I am going back and forth! Why did you go .223 over 7.62? Somebody please talk me into the .223! Kajvid if you shoot at 100 yards go with the 762x39, two hundred yards go with the .223 or .308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I couldnt choose but i bought .223 first then the 7.62x39. I knew i was going to get both though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oregonshooter 0 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I bought a 7.62 AK for my only carbine, then bought my .223 Saiga and converted it to save money on ammo. Finding cheap non-steel ammo for the 7.62x39 is not possible these days since Wolf dropped their copper bullet for bi-metal. The .223 I can reload for less than buying 7.62x39 and I have the same platform for 3-gun. The 7.62x39 is a better round at any range compared to the .223 so I'm not sure what LEO is talking about. Last 3-gun match I smoked 3 guys in our squad shooting steel at 100-250 yards with an Aimpoint clone dot on my AK. They had 3-9x scoped AR15s. It's the shooter not the round that counts. Both guns are <400 yards in carbine configuration. If I want to reach out I'll get the .308 bolt gun out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Because I wanted one in each caliber... I have 9 Saigas altogether... 3 X39's and 2 .223's... and one each of the rest... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kajvid 0 Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Because I wanted one in each caliber... I have 9 Saigas altogether... 3 X39's and 2 .223's... and one each of the rest... THIS is the kind of logic I like! I am fairly sure that I'll end up with one of each......at least one of each! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 After this weekend ill only need 20ga and 30 06 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 .223/5.56 ain't going anywhere any time soon, even former Soviet republics are going for .223/5.56 rifles... Look at Former Soviet Republic Georgia, trying to join NATO, picked up a pile of M4's... A lot of those countries want to join NATO, and there are a pile already in NATO.. and they use .223/5.56... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
engbob 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 A round that would make me mess my pants.... 6.8 SPC Will probably never happen in a Saiga,. but a man can dream Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 went with 223. and AR mag adapter because i wanted a reliable rifle that took a common round and common mags for when the shit hits the fan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Because I wanted one in each caliber... I have 9 Saigas altogether... 3 X39's and 2 .223's... and one each of the rest... ding ding ding ding ding! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squib 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I already had a x39 AK - an AKS 56 norinco - then I got the 223 and then the 308...or maybe it was the other way around - but I wanted one of each - converted the 223 and 308 and love them all like they were my very own children! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I weighed the options between a rifle in 7.62x39 and .223. 7.62x39 rifles aren't going anywhere, SKS's and Ak's from every country from China to Egypt and back can be bought, If I want one at some point in the future, they will be there (future bans nonwithstanding). But for a .223 AK your choices are limited, and for a well made Russian .223 AK with a 20" barrel, and a price under 300$ just sounded too good to turn down. I the 20" barrel because .223 likes to go fast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sfven 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I actually ended up with one of each, .223, x39, and .308. I started with the x39 and used it for 3 gun, was actually looking for an AR for 3 gun when I found a deal on both the .223 and .308 in 16" for less than a used AR. I am a sucker for the Saigas. What do you want to do with the rifle? That should be your basis for your caliber choice. What do you want the rifle for, where will you shoot it, how will you take care of it? I am going to start using the .223 for 3 gun, it is cheaper for me to get in on the ammo deals with a group buy than it is for me to be the only one shooting x39. Mags are another thing though. Although, hi cap surefires are no more expensive than the high reliability HK mags my friends use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 I'd own more of them in 7.62x39 & .308 etc, but many of you are aware of why I can't... ####################################################################### For those that don't know.. WA State has some weird laws regarding legal permanent residents and firearms... YES, I will be getting my US citizenship.. but I cannot until mid 2010... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Already have a bunch of x39 AK homebuilds and wanted to do another gun that uses the AR mag adapter. This was just the ticket I was looking for. Pretty much bought it on a whim, but damn glad I did. If I sold off most of my inventory I'd keep my S12, Ruger USST .22LR, M92 Yugo, and This little .223 The rest are all fine, but these stand out to me in terms of performance and fun. The Tantal ain't bad either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oregonshooter 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 So are these AR mag converter wells still available? I thought they were all gone now? Link me please!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwigunner 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Its a sickness I tell you a sickness, I ended up with three 7.62x39 and two .223 and now I catch myself thinking of getting a couple of 308's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dobravery 49 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 So that I can take the .223 rounds off the bodies of my AR neighbors who fell to Zombies when the AR's jammed up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 So are these AR mag converter wells still available? I thought they were all gone now? Link me please!! It's getting to the point where you'd be more likely to find a "fart in a hurricane" regarding finding an adapter... Check out the adapter posts in this section (.223 section) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Yup everything is drying up nowadays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 with 223 costing as much as 308 go with a x39 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 The mag adapters can still be found if you hunt them, just no more instant gratification right now. As far as I know, all the latest ORF .223 Galil receivers are cut to accept the mag adapters, and probably all the receivers they're making for Century. Todd had mentioned making the adapters in house on one of the forums now that the UA adapter supply has dried up. My guess is as long as there are enough Galil parts kits to keep Century going, that at some point ORF will make the adapter too. Just takes enough people prodding them to commit. The part itself isn't that complicated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwigunner 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 yup as the 5.56 dries up (seen nothing military for a long long time now) I switch to the 7.62x39 Wolf, Norinco whatever I can get, mind I dont help myself when I go out and play with 300 rounds at a time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Dnt know why orf dnt make them as many galils they make and sell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonesaw 1 Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 We went .223 because I already had an AR and a reloading press set up for .223, it was the most economical option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
itsagirl 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 when money allows, I suggest getting one of each I have a .223 and my bf has the 7.62X39 that is just my two cents Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aka108 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Get both a 7.62X39 and 223 at the same time. You're going to end up doing that anyhow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tjf76 0 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Get both a 7.62X39 and 223 at the same time. You're going to end up doing that anyhow. I agree. Get both. You will thank yourself later Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKMIKEFMJ 0 Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Simple......Ammo availability... .223 is US made!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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