Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 There sure doesn't seem to be much traffic in this part of the forum. Are the 410's that unpopular compaired to the 12's and others? It would be cool to see a photo thread with some of your 410 conversions. That one over in the 12 guage section is awesome. If I can figure out how to post an image I will put up a before pic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 (edited) There sure doesn't seem to be much traffic in this part of the forum. Are the 410's that unpopular compaired to the 12's and others? 12 gauge is more popular. Ammo is cheaper and their are more choices available for 12 than 410, but I do still like the 410. Here is my s-410 pic, its away right now @ firely arms getting a pg conversion and refinish done, I'll post those pics when I get it back. P.S. to post a pick just click the "browse button under the "file attachment" heading when your posting your reply or new topic or editing. Edited December 7, 2004 by chris410 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Here's my Saiga with her sister and cousin before conversions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Nice!! What kind of AK is that? You mentioned feeding problems, w/ the 410, what have been expieriencing? I cant get the barnauls to feed right but plastic shells work flawlessly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hey Cobra.... WHere did you get that STOCK for the AK??? THATS BADASS!!!! I would LOVE To grab me up one of them myself!!! TOO COOL! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 yeh, really, is that an adapted drag stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Thanks guys. The Mak 90 is a Maadi Misr. (Egyptian/Chinese crossbreed) The stock is the original one that it was imported with it. It was bulky and very uncomfortable to handle, not to mention ugly. I just took it off and spent a few hours on it in the workshop. Cut the thumbhole out bigger and reshaped it and added the finger grooves with my dremmel and course sanding drum. Much better now! Still have not finished the wood. I'm not sure what kind of stain or finish would match best. Any suggestions? Chris I read your thread on feeding problems. That's wierd that yours only messes up with the Barnauls because mine seems to like those best. However when it does misfeed it eats the plastic shells just like it does the metal ones. Leaves a big gouge or dent that makes it hard to try and reuse the round. Does yours leave a dent or crease in the spent metal cases? I dont know whether It's the new ammo I'm using now or what but I just put about two boxes of slugs and a box of #4 shot through her (all Barnaul) and didn't have one misfeed. Could it be that the mags take time to brake in or something? All I have now is 2 four round mags but I'm looking hard for a 10. Next time out I will run some of my old slugs through again and try some more of that Remington 2 3/4" shot and see if I have any problems. I'll let ya know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I have 2 of the 3" magnum magazines and one for the 2.5" shells. I have *NEVER* wait... let me rephrase that... *N*E*V*E*R* had a shell misfeed in my Saiga.. EVER!!!! I have used Remington, barnaul, sellier and bellot... I have shot SLUGS, shot, buckshot loads, the whole 9 yards.. plastic casings, metal casing... NEVER had a problem.. but then.. I know to run SHORT shells thru the SHORT mag and LONG SHELLS thru the LONG MAGS... kinda self explanitory.. lends a DUH , if ya cant figure that out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I really like my Saiga the way it came. Sort of like those guys who shoot skeet or trap. The shotguns that have the 'English' stock (no semblance of curved or pistol grip at all) are said to be the quickest to acquire a speeding target like a clay pigeon or a bird. I had plenty of experience with pistol grip equipped rifles in the Army. They are certainly great when firing either from a rifle pit or from the prone position but not my preference when shooting from the kneeling or standing position. Different strokes -- different folks. Nothing wrong with a PG-equipped rifle or shotgun. _All_ my metal-cased Barnaul empties have a dent at the front of the case. It's due to the way the empty is flung out so forceably. If you fire a semi-auto pistol you may have noted the same sort of denting. I know I sure do with my M-400 Astra pistol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 NEVER had a problem.. but then.. I know to run SHORT shells thru the SHORT mag and LONG SHELLS thru the LONG MAGS... kinda self explanitory.. lends a DUH , if ya cant figure that out... Duhuh? The plastic 2 3/4" shells I was referring to ARE 3" shells once they are fired and the crimp opens. Guess that's why they're labled 3" on the box. Just like the Barnaul is labled 410/70 for 70mm(=2 3/4") They are both 2 3/4" shells when loaded into the mag. They still can and do misfeed in many other people's Saigas besides mine and Chris410's who are also using the right mags and ammo. Consider yourself lucky IndyArms. But like I said mine has not had problems in a long time so maybe it's a break in thing with the mags or someting. I still love mine and I'm lookin forward to doing the rest of my conversion as soon as my parts arive. She's gonna be Hella Killa! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Has anyone else using the Barnaul ammo noticed curved dents in the side of the ejected cases about one inch up from the base? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 I have 2 of the 3" magnum magazines and one for the 2.5" shells. I have *NEVER* wait... let me rephrase that... *N*E*V*E*R* had a shell misfeed in my Saiga.. EVER!!!! I have used Remington, barnaul, sellier and bellot... I have shot SLUGS, shot, buckshot loads, the whole 9 yards.. plastic casings, metal casing... NEVER had a problem.. but then.. I know to run SHORT shells thru the SHORT mag and LONG SHELLS thru the LONG MAGS... kinda self explanitory.. lends a DUH , if ya cant figure that out... I have only the 3"mags and I use only 3" shells and I have *ALWAYS* wait ... let me rephrase that... *A*L*W*A*Y*S* had problems with the barnauls. Do you honestly think I am just making it up or that I could be so ignorant? Believe me I would love for them to feed properly cause there so cheap.!!! But then this is supposed to be a picture thread.. kinda self explanitory... lends a DUH (whatever that means) if you cant figure that out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Very nice! Hey that's the first one I've seen like mine with no rear sight and the choke that looks like a flash hider. How old is that one? Is it from Kalashnikov USA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1776-1976 0 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 (edited) I have not had any feeding problems from my 410 and the only complaint is it empties the clip to fast. Wish I had a drum mag for it. Edited December 12, 2004 by 1776-1976 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Ok, Ok... let me se if I can remmeber how to post a pic... been a while... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Hey Cobra... Check out EAA's website, you can buy those choke tubes directly from them... BUT... DONT BUY the package.. ( with three tubes in it) because for the price, you will just get a second thread protector.. just buy the improved cylinder choke and the full choke separately.. best way to go about it.. specially at like 15 bucks for the extra thread protector, when you buy the package. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 OK, Ok! I gotta admit it . . . Mbsk01, you did a nice PG conversion to your .410. IndyArms, nice shoulder stock! Where did you get it? What scope are you using? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 IndyArms, nice shoulder stock! Where did you get it? What scope are you using? The stock is a standard WASR10 "dragunov" style stock. Fits on perfectly.. no mods needed to it or the receiver. The scope is a Russian self adjusting PK-01 RED DOT style scope with the AK mount and the offset rings. Works very nice for hunting rabbit and squirrel, as well as trap shooting. not many people shoot skeet with a .410, but it DOES shoot great!! With the zero power red dot, you can EASILY keep both eyes open, and still have a very fast target aquisition. where the red dot goes, the shot pattern will center. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Mbsk01, Nice job making the orig. trigger pin holes disappear. What do they call that style of choke with the holes all around. Anyone know? Is it supposed to function like a brake or hider? Why the holes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 What do they call that style of choke with the holes all around. Anyone know? Is it supposed to function like a brake or hider? Why the holes? When I've seen handgun barrels with holes like you describe, it's called a 'compensator'. It isn't a flash hider (and I don't quite grasp the meaning of 'brake') but is supposed to reduce muzzle climb. But there wouldn't be any holes on the bottom 1/3 of the barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mbsk01 0 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Mbsk01, Nice job making the orig. trigger pin holes disappear. What do they call that style of choke with the holes all around. Anyone know? Is it supposed to function like a brake or hider? Why the holes? Cobra, Thanks for the compliment. I don't know what they call that muzzle attachment, but it makes me worry that I don't have enough US parts. I used JB Weld to fill in the extra holes, and tried to smooth it over a bit, before the repaint. To me, it looks like 2 more spot welds. I think I've had it close to 3 years, seems it was imported by Big Bear Arms in Dallas, TX (my area ) and I am pretty sure they aren't around anymore. Aethelbert, thank you too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NedPepper 0 Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 S! All Hold that thought..Santa is com'in tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Forthcoming will be a conversion of a Saiga 410 to 444 Marlin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Okies.... I updated the photo of my modified Saiga .410, and included its cousin in the shot, too.. Enjoy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Just ordered the wife's .410 from CDNN today. Will be a while, but she wants an underfolder. Will try to get a pix up when done. G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) OK let's try this one more time. Here she is after many hours in the workshop and many $$ in parts and accessories..It was a lot of fun and I look forward to doing another one. The next one should take about half the time. Edited January 7, 2005 by Cobra 76 two Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Well I wanted to post more than one shot at a time but after spending more time trying to figure out how than it took me to move my fcg forward I guess I will give up and try one at a time. Sorry I'm definitely no computer geek but I do love firearms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 folded Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Yea I'm still looking for a bayo lug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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