anatak23 0 Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Awesome that you are gonna make this happen! A compact 10-12 round drum will definitely fill a lot of niches. One thought: The spring tensioner tab on the front... in the interest of making the drum pouch friendly, consider hinging that tab so that it can lay flush. A small spring to keep it quiet and flat would be ideal also... along the lines of the spring/hinge on a AR15 dust cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Kool Cameron! Will await with interest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Very cool Cameron! Let us know when it is ready to ship. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cellsworth 21 Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 If I can ever get my hands on a Saiga 12 I would probably buy several. A 10-12 round drum like you are planning seems much more practical to me than a 20 round drum does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Kudos to you Cameron! Just a thought on these 10 rounders is the compatibility with any future magwells... If it is short like the 5 rounder, it may not have a neck that lends itself to fit into a magwell. I would be interested to see Cobra's input on this since he has a Magwell design. I haven't played with one yet, so I am not sure if it would still work. My concern is that these future aftermarket goodies are not all intercompatible! And FYI, I would definitely be game for a 12 rounder more than a 10 if it was the same length (or close) as a 5 rounder. I like the CAD drawing and commend you on your initiative to bring items like your break, piston, handguards and this to our community. A 12 rounder could be much smaller than the 20 rounder and still give added capacity over what is currently available without being unwieldy. Awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weaponx 18 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 sounds very cool. you make very nice products, just wish the cash flow was more then what it is. but that is what you get when you put your eggs into many baskets .lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Excellent decision! I've got three words for you-compact, compact, compact. Aside from from the guys who want 20 lbs of ammo hanging off their gun, I believe many, if not most, are interested in something that actually could be used for serious social work. The LE/military I've talked to have a problem with the size of the AGP mag. 10 rds in a small package would appeal to competition shooters, LE/military, and zombies hunters alike. Edited July 30, 2008 by Paladin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ML Roak 0 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Excellent decision! I've got three words for you-compact, compact, compact. Aside from from the guys who want 20 lbs of ammo hanging off their gun, I believe many, if not most, are interested in something that actually could be used for serious social work. The LE/military I've talked to have a problem with the size of the AGP mag. 10 rds in a small package would appeal to competition shooters, LE/military, and zombies hunters alike. Paladin got it right, I just can't justify the APG hanging off the gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 As a few have said, you are a great addition to the forum! I like the way you design,and its obvious your are a very skilled craftsman. Looking forward to anything you got coming for the 12 and 410. You would be wise to make that your final statement until shipping time. You have two examples of how can go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kisatu 3 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 The thought of a easy loadable 30rd compact drum that can be stored fully loaded and wound up before use to save the spring is brilliant. I would love to see the Chinese drum action updated and applied to Saiga drums. /Golfclap, i'm looking forward to seeing both the 12rd and the 30rd on the market. Everyone should have a 30rd for zombies LOL and a 12rd for back up and fast reloading!!! You should own the drum Saiga market once you have both out for sale why buy a 20rd as big as a 30 if the 30 does not cost that much more. I like the 12rd idea cause its still 11 and easy inserted into a closed bolt witch all around makes it more practical then 10 rd stick mags. Keep the great ideas rolling. Maybe a mag that has a built in last round bolt hold open or triggers the built in one. I do not know, i'm not an inventor. just have ideas^^) Good luck with your designs, i will be watching for updates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DS12 1 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Very very nice CAD work! I wish I could design a 2d square in CAD. lol Drums are sweet wish there were more of them, I would want 5 30 rounders, the 10's not so interested in but that's just me. Hope to see these pop up by years end Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 What is the delay? Are these shipping yet? I just wanted help you get prepared for what is to come shortly... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kisatu 3 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Does anyone know if the 10 and 30rd mags be modified to fit in magwell Saiga's? Or do you think the neck is to short? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdbh171 0 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 You build a 30 round drum and I would have to buy one. I am in for the 410.....good luck and waiting patiently p.s. for those interrested but maybe unaware....MAA is now ready the ship their 410 10rd'rs they still have some left, but the "pre-order" price is gone Patrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Cam, For the tactical guys, a double stack 10 rd mag might be just the ticket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaddyrandall 1 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I LIKE THE IDEA OF A 12-ROUND DRUM GOT MY VOTE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) I think the 10-12 (preferably 12) round drum is a great idea. If a 30 rounder goes into production, I would buy that, too. I think the biggest thing being overlooked right now is the .410 drum market. I know, it seems like small potatoes, but between the AGP mags and the MD Arms drums the 12 gauge is getting attention. 10 round .410 mags are still going ffor over a hundred bucks and even the new Surefire mags are $60, and for something no more complicated than an extremely simple rifle magazine. Also, Tromix is developing the .444 Marlin conversion and that is some serious rock and roll. Last but not least, I think the idea for 2 or 3 round magazine extensions that will attach directly to factory or Taiwan five rounders is fantastic. I am sitting on a half dozen that don't get much range time but would likely take over for the 10 rounders if I could extend them to 8 rounds. And if you can get it done for $25-30 bucks it will be much cheaper than buying an AGP mag and cutting it down for use with Tromix base plates. Edited August 25, 2008 by stiletto raggio Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Am interested in both projects, will be keeping an ear to the ground waiting to hear your progress. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6x6pinz 4 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 sure would be nice to see some .410 love passed around. A drum would be just the ticket. Might even kick up the sales of the little gems if quality accessories were available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmacken37 4 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Cameron, I want to echo those that are impressed with your designs. Very cool! I'd think a 10 or 12 round double stack single feed mag would be more desireable than a small drum. Jake Edited September 10, 2008 by jmacken37 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 I would suggest that you consider using torsion springs if possible, as opposed to coil springs. The torsion springs should be able to stay loaded longer without suffering spring fatigue. I like the feature of the Beta-Mag where the mag can be stored loaded with the springs un-tensioned, then tensioned before use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macgyverhk 3 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) I would be interested in two Edited September 25, 2008 by macgyverhk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macgyverhk 3 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 The concept of a magwell for a saiga 12 was genius but unfortunately has yet to become a reality on the market. I expect it will shortly. I just received MD arms' drum and have to say it is top quality but the mag tower is too short to be modified to work with a drop free mag well. Please think about us guys who want the magwell idea to become a reality and be able to utilize a drum as well. Competition is a good thing - maybe you can give the whole magwell idea a thought or two. One thing that most impresses me about the Saiga platform is the genius it inspires. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildcatter 28 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Good idea on a torsion spring 12 round drum. Talk about compact! And no spring fatigue. I have this to say about magwells and mag design. It seems to me that due to the variences in the Saiga design, the company that produces an array of mags and drums to suit the market and then designs a mag well to suit its own products would have the high cap S-12 market cornered. A last round hold-open device for a few $ more marketed with the mags/drums and magwell would clinch the deal. Mark my words, the first company to produce it all will be THE saiga giant. I understand an outlay of funds for R&D in these stressful political and economic times might be too risky for such an endevor. If this formula had been followed shortly after the AWB had lifted in 2004, we would have a millionaire in our midst. I wish I had had the foresight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I have two dogs in this fight. One uses the standard rock n' lock magazine and the other uses the magwell style magazine. I will be grateful for whatever comes of this. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
termite 463 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 I'd LOVE to see a 30 to 50 rounder for the .410, that would use the 3" shells. All I have for mine is 4, 10 round mags from Russia and when I get to blasting at ferrell cats in the woods, sometimes, 10 rounds with a lots of underbrush, means reloading and chasing the little sucker up the hill into the woods to finish the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macgyverhk 3 Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I hope Chaos eventually makes a 12 rounder that is magwell compatable Drop Free mags; 12 rounder drums; LRBHO; Shortened gas system; HK sights; rail system; polychoke; And or Course; Pig Sticker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geezer59 1 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Given the realities of the current political climate, no new hi-cap magazine design is likely to have a long life expectancy. With a new AWB in the works for early in the next administration, shotgun drums of any kind might very well not survive for civilian use - certainly not >10 round designs. I'd be cautious about investing much capital into a new product of this nature unless the LE/Military-only market is much larger than I think. A compact 12-rd drum (that can readily be blocked down to 10-rd) might pass muster, and I'd certainly love to have several. Of course, I'd love to have a bunch of the 30-rd ones already, hidden in my basement, for use during clandestine fun-fests in remote areas. Only time will tell. <sigh> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 If you can produce a 10 or 12 round drum I'm all over it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badman400 3 Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 10-12 rounder for sure. 30 rounder...HELL Yeah! By the way, I love my PorkyPine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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