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Sorry, I'm happily married to one of the chicks you see on TV every day.

 

 

 

You damned tease!

Now everyone is wondering..........................

 

 

 

:haha:

 

 

Now im curious!

 

I'll give y'all a hint...one word....FOX! :wub:

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Franks71vw is here! And on Gunco, and on 1919a4,com. Here and there folks said:

"Get bent Troll."

 

Hey fagboy..at least at 1919 we allow you to come in and say what's on your mind, we aren't communist cocksuckers like you and your homo mod buddies. I'll openly call you a cocksucker and right to your face if your in the neighborhood too. You don't have the courage or the intestinal fortitude to spew your banter in person so you hide behind your monitor and do it from the safety and comfort of your lazy boy.

 

 

 

Hey bitch,

 

Houston Texas, we can meet at a place of your choosing, and discuss this matter, only thing is, you better bring some sack motherfucker, cause I like to get down. No keyboard needed, cowboy! Just some intestinal fortitude on your end.

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Hey settle down bro. No need to go berszerkers on him...lol He can't answer you here anyway, he's banned. That wasn't even his real account here. The other one will be active again in two days (maybe). We don't want people making any kind of threats (or promises) like this on the open forum though.

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Hey settle down bro. No need to go berszerkers on him...lol He can't answer you here anyway, he's banned. That wasn't even his real account here. The other one will be active again in two days (maybe). We don't want people making any kind of threats (or promises) like this on the open forum though.

 

 

No problem bro, I just gave him public info, that he may have been to lazy to look up, besides the truth has been made clear, and I think the only conversation that this guy can have with another guy is considerd oral sex, and Ill have to pass on that crap.

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And to everyone who now is happy to get an update from Mike.....YOur welcome.

 

Dude you think a lot more of you so called powers to cause change than they really are capable of . I seriously doubt if MikeD read your post and ran screaming to his computer to make an update.

 

Do you by any chance think you can walk on water also?

 

Numb nuts. Shoo! Shoo! Go away! Where is that darn rolled up newspaper I use to swat flies with. :haha:

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I am deleting my previous comments, due to them being poorly received, even though I meant them with the best intentions. Im going to keep my thoughts and opinions to myself. Just trying to participate in the discussion, no offense intended.

 

Site staff - if you are going to edit my posts, please be sure to include an "edited by" with an explanation, if you would be so kind, please! My statement may reappear otherwise, me thinking that I forgot to finish what I was saying.

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I am deleting my previous comments, due to them being poorly received, even though I meant them with the best intentions. Im going to keep my thoughts and opinions to myself. Just trying to participate in the discussion, no offense intended.

 

Site staff - if you are going to edit my posts, please be sure to include an "edited by" with an explanation, if you would be so kind, please! My statement may reappear otherwise, me thinking that I forgot to finish what I was saying.

 

 

 

 

Shush!

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Mike has my respect, support and appreciation for doing this thing right. Any man who can imagine, design, raise funds for and get into production a product that is well-conceived and well-executed is a walking, breathing example of the American Dream and the beauty of capitalism. I hope Mike gets rich off his ideas and hard work, and I am happy to be part of the first run, no matter how long it takes.

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If you aint got the money dont buy. Mike is trying to put the deal together...

 

Quoted for truth. Mike was upfront about the pre-orders financing the project, an ambitious project I might add.

 

Manufacturing any new design is fraught with difficulties, and I can tell you that weapons magazines are more complex than they appear.

 

Tooling for injection molding isn't cheap and these are LARGE molds. And when changes have to be made, they take time to make- then the 1st article checking, and subsequent rework until you get what you want. All in all I think the project went pretty fast; although in any such endeavor most of the people involved are somewhat "optimistic"...it's only natural.

Well put Bob. Those of us that purchased in the pre-production stage did so knowingly to get in on an "introductory" price. I think the vast majority of folks here are comfortable with that, present company included, but for the others, Mike has made it clear that he is willing to give their cash back with no questions asked.

 

Beyond that, I'd like to add some of my experience with MD Arms:

 

  1. I have called MD Arms an several occasions in the past and left a message, only to have Mike D call back within a day or two. That was a while ago and he may be a bit busier these days, but my take was that Mike is a guy who treats his business like a business that wants to succeed, and his goal is to deliver a good product with good customer service.
  2. I was involved in coordinating a shoot for Saiga-12 members a few months ago and I asked Mike for a drum to have on hand at the shoot. While he didn't have a shipping version available, he did send one of his beta drums with Makc and it worked flawlessly. Keep in mind we had a cardboard box full of ammo that was donated to the event by the Florida Shooter's Association, so we fed the mag a VERY wide variety of ammo (slug, buckshot, and birdshot) in mix of at least 20 different S-12s that ranged from "new out of the box" to fully modified by reputable outfits such as Tromix and VKA. Long story short, the MD drum performed every bit as well as the factory and AGP mags the members here brought with them.
  3. I am not affiliated with MD Arms, or any other vendor here or elsewhere. I tend to call things as I see them, and if there was an inherent problem with his drum, I would have no problem saying so. And I am someone with first-hand experience with it. For those who choose not to take my info at face value, get your cash back. You can buy at the regular price once the drums hit the market and the feedback confirms what I have said here.

Mike D - Thanks for the update. Take your time, get it right, and it will all pay off in dividends. As we've seen in the past, nothing is worse than rushing to market just to make a profit.

 

Just my 2¢

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Thank you very much for that unbiased report from the Fla shoot bro.

Belive me bro, I was more anxious than most folks here to get my hands on a shipping version in time for that shoot, and to say I was dissapointed that we didn't have one on hand is an understatement. That said, the beta version was a true pleasure to play with and has pushed me to the point I hate to even follow the posts on when it will finally ship. Mike's beta mag worked so well, it ticks me off every time I look at the 10-round AGP mag I have in my S-12 here at the homestead.

 

My history is solidly based in having equipment that works as advertised, so I have no problem saying this drum will be well worth it for all those who were willing to wait patiently!

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Mike

I just received the email from you about the drum.

I went into this deal knowing that the drums were not ready and feeling that the projected production and release time frames were optomistic but not a reality. I did not say anything because I did not want to discourage anyone. I know how things get held up waiting on other people. There are also countless other problems that come up and slow progress. I have had this happen every time I have been involved with anything like this myself. I just went through it with another project that was supposed to be up and running more than six months ago. Shit happens. Just handle it as it comes and move on.

Once these drums start coming together and the completed models start shipping, things will speed up. That's when the waisted steps in the production process are found and things will start running smooth.

I am in no hurry. If you want you can put me at the bottom of the list and let one of the cry babies have theirs ahead of me to shut them up. You have enough stress without a bunch of impatient whiners up your ass. No I don't want to cancel and yes I will wait until they are here. I don't have to be the first kid on the block to get his. I find that the second run on a new product is usually better anyway. AGP wasn't perfect when the first ones came out. They corrected the problems and they are fine now.

They are done when they are done brother. I'm not going anywhere.

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Thank you very much for that unbiased report from the Fla shoot bro.

Belive me bro, I was more anxious than most folks here to get my hands on a shipping version in time for that shoot, and to say I was dissapointed that we didn't have one on hand is an understatement. That said, the beta version was a true pleasure to play with and has pushed me to the point I hate to even follow the posts on when it will finally ship. Mike's beta mag worked so well, it ticks me off every time I look at the 10-round AGP mag I have in my S-12 here at the homestead.

 

My history is solidly based in having equipment that works as advertised, so I have no problem saying this drum will be well worth it for all those who were willing to wait patiently!

I know exactly how you feel. When you have actually used one, and taken it apart...seen all there is to it, it is EXTREMELY aggrivating to come here and try to follow ANY of the threads about them and how they are vaporware and bla bla bla.....

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Can't we just all get along?! :eek: Seriously, though, reading this forum is like being at recess at my son's grade school. I can't believe grown men sit around typing insults and obsenaties at each other and get all fired up...on either side of the debate. Let the idiots be idiots...don't join them and be one too just to show you can piss farther. Are there really that many people with such bad self esteems on this forum? These are the guys who snap and go shooting up a shopping mall--and it'll be with their Saga and drum mag too, and then Congress or the ATF will ban them and we'll all be screwed. I'm just waiting for someone to type "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"--oh, I just did type it. I'm surprised the moderator allows this senseless argument...but it does provide for entertaining reading I guess. It got me to take a break from downloading my porn at least. Let's just all chill, wait patiently for the drums--they'll be ready when they are ready--and quit whipping our dicks out to prove whose is bigger--cause it's the guys with the small ones doing all the insulting on both sides (does that statment incriminate me?). Once they are in regular production and we've all been able to sleep with our precious drums, caress their sleek curves and jerk off in the shower with them, we can all look back and remember the great drum wars of 2008 and hopefully laugh.

 

 

 

this is getting old!! so can the admins please just start erasing all these "first post" arfcom pussies posts on "oh you saigaforum guys are crybabies"

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As a manufacturer I have no problem waiting, I know the issues involved. Heck, I still have a shrike on order and 5 Bohica .50 bmg uppers in the works so that should tell you something about both my patience and my understanding of the issues with bringing new products to market.

 

Someone here said something about ordering when they were in Afghanistan and receiving product when in Iraq. Oddly enough I ordered after returning from Iraq and I will be receiving product when in Afghanistan.

 

 

 

 

 

Some of you fuckers need to man up and realize that this world does not revolve around you and your issues. You will have a real hard time over the next few years as supplylines tighten and delays for everything become more common. Maybe then you will realize how stupid the crying over this has been.

 

Where is that punk Kmoore? ;) Haven't seen him in a while...

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I know exactly how you feel. When you have actually used one, and taken it apart...seen all there is to it, it is EXTREMELY aggrivating to come here and try to follow ANY of the threads about them and how they are vaporware and bla bla bla.....

Exactly, but we both know they aren't vaporware and the betas work just as Mike says they do.

 

Still, when I finally get a shipping version, I will take it out, torture test it thoroughly, and report accordingly. I'm confident the tests will go just as it did in March, but there are always naysayers. Maybe they're in the better position by staying on the sidelines, but either way, its the early adopter like you and me that will determine that either way. And while I can't comment on the shipping versions either way, given Mike's commitment to quality, I think they will be every bit as reliable as the betas before he releases them. That's my opinion, but I firmly believe time will prove that to be fact.

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Can't we just all get along?! :eek: Seriously, though, reading this forum is like being at recess at my son's grade school. I can't believe grown men sit around typing insults and obsenaties at each other and get all fired up...on either side of the debate. Let the idiots be idiots...don't join them and be one too just to show you can piss farther. Are there really that many people with such bad self esteems on this forum? These are the guys who snap and go shooting up a shopping mall--and it'll be with their Saga and drum mag too, and then Congress or the ATF will ban them and we'll all be screwed. I'm just waiting for someone to type "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"--oh, I just did type it. I'm surprised the moderator allows this senseless argument...but it does provide for entertaining reading I guess. It got me to take a break from downloading my porn at least. Let's just all chill, wait patiently for the drums--they'll be ready when they are ready--and quit whipping our dicks out to prove whose is bigger--cause it's the guys with the small ones doing all the insulting on both sides (does that statment incriminate me?). Once they are in regular production and we've all been able to sleep with our precious drums, caress their sleek curves and jerk off in the shower with them, we can all look back and remember the great drum wars of 2008 and hopefully laugh.

 

 

 

No...............so fuck Rodney King, and fuck you. Hows that for obscene? Btw...Nice first post...... idiot

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It's only because of MY post that any update was provided today. YOu can't hide that fact asshole.

Don't flatter yourself, sperm breath.

 

 

He has to. Nobody else is going to do it. He's the only one that thinks he had anything to do with it.

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Mike-thanks for the update and if you would, try to stop by a little more often. This place already managed to run Kevin off shortly after he was about where you are now with his 10 rounders. A lot of newbies prolly don't know about all that. You've also had a lot of Saiga 12 old schoolers taking up for you in the times between post that deserve some credit.

Take care bro and don't forget the old times that sent you on your journey. Still lots of good folks around here, you just have to find them between the whiners but it's nothing new.

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Thank you very much for that unbiased report from the Fla shoot bro.

Mike's beta mag worked so well, it ticks me off every time I look at the 10-round AGP mag I have in my S-12 here at the homestead.

 

 

 

Please dont write the AGP 10 rd mags off just because the 20 rd drum is starting to come out. They are a major asset too, we cant run around with a 20 rd drum on the shotty all of the time ;)

 

I have 4 10 rd mags and they will still be used faithfully.

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Thank you very much for that unbiased report from the Fla shoot bro.

Mike's beta mag worked so well, it ticks me off every time I look at the 10-round AGP mag I have in my S-12 here at the homestead.

 

 

 

Please dont write the AGP 10 rd mags off just because the 20 rd drum is starting to come out. They are a major asset too, we cant run around with a 20 rd drum on the shotty all of the time ;)

 

I have 4 10 rd mags and they will still be used faithfully.

 

 

 

Yep, I totally agree, I like the AGP's too, and see a need for both types.

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See my first response. See that chick on FOX NEWS with her legs crossed? I get to uncross them.

 

Wait a second. Did everyone let this one go by? I'd really like to know who :devil:

 

 

 

We absolutely did NOT let that go by!!!!!!

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See my first response. See that chick on FOX NEWS with her legs crossed? I get to uncross them.

 

Wait a second. Did everyone let this one go by? I'd really like to know who :devil:

 

 

 

We absolutely did NOT let that go by!!!!!!

 

 

Which chick on Fox news? I do not watch them, so could you please be a little more specific? Am interested to see her.

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