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#1 Berettatiger

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 03:35 PM

According to the instructions from Dinzagarms:

http://dinzagarms.co...mag_options.pdf

I want to do Option#1

I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THE RIFLE!!!!

NOW THEY TALK IN OPTION #1 about a feeding ramp. I don't know what it is or where it goes. I have compare the factory mag with the AK mag and I dont see any difference or feeding ramp.

Please could somebody be patient enough to explain what is the feeding ramp and where it goes. Notice that in Option#1 YOU DON'T TOUCH THE RIFLE!!!

Edited by Berettatiger, 30 July 2008 - 03:36 PM.

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#2 nalioth

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 04:14 PM

My opinion:

If you mod your mags to fit the rifle, what happens when you run off and forget your mags or they fall in the sewer while you're unpacking them for a match?

You can't borrow anyone elses, because your rifle is only able to use your specific magazines.

If you think out your conversion, your rifle will be able to run both 10 round factory mags and military surplus mags afterward.


The factory magazine lip is much higher than the miltary surplus magazine lip. That constitutes the "factory feed ramp".
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#3 taurussvt

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 06:57 PM

Why would you want to go through the trouble of modifying every magazine to fit your gun? They've been making these magazines for the last 50+ years all the same way, all over the world, but you want to modify all of them? Bite the bullet, no pun intended, and buy a bullet guide kit from Dinzag. Use a standard AK magazine and file your magazine latch accordingly. Once that's done all you need to do is file the feed ramp built in to the front of the saiga magazine and you'll be able to use it again. In the mean time you'll be able to use ANY standard AK47 magazine that's out there.

#4 rskins

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:17 AM

Hmm. I don't know guys.. I welded the lip on my mags, and they work flawlessly. I can switch between the saiga mag and the surplus mag no problem. Don't have to alter the gun at all. 2 minutes with the tig, 5 minutes with a file,and they are good to go.
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#5 rskins

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:26 AM

I know, I know, you can't pick up any mag you find on the "battlefield" and stick it in your saiga, but odds are if you find a mag on the battlefield, there will probably be an AK attached to it that you can use :drevil:

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 09:41 PM

I welded some mags too. It just take a minute and works great. I need to make/buy a bullet guide though.

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:02 AM

According to the instructions from Dinzagarms:

http://dinzagarms.co...mag_options.pdf

I want to do Option#1

I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THE RIFLE!!!!


There lies your problem.
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 08:07 PM

Your other option is to use the Master Molder polymer mags. They have enough material on the front of the mag to act as a bullet guide, all you need to do to make them work is to file or Dremel about a millimeter or two of plastic off of the catch in back.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 03:59 PM

Hmm. I don't know guys.. I welded the lip on my mags, and they work flawlessly. I can switch between the saiga mag and the surplus mag no problem. Don't have to alter the gun at all. 2 minutes with the tig, 5 minutes with a file,and they are good to go.
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Do you have a pic of an unmodified mag so I can see the difference.
Where on the mag did you weld the lip?
I can't seem to tell from the picture.

thanks

#10 Berzerker

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 06:27 PM

Hmm. I don't know guys.. I welded the lip on my mags, and they work flawlessly. I can switch between the saiga mag and the surplus mag no problem. Don't have to alter the gun at all. 2 minutes with the tig, 5 minutes with a file,and they are good to go.
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Do you have a pic of an unmodified mag so I can see the difference.
Where on the mag did you weld the lip?
I can't seem to tell from the picture.

thanks


OMG... why go to all that trouble? Just order the kit, drill one hole, tap one hole. bada bing bada bang... if you took shop in high school, you can do it, or just follow dinzags directions and go slow when tapping and you then can use any preban mag or standard AK mags... much cheaper than Saigas!Attached File  100_0072__Medium_.jpg   58.57KB   3 downloads

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#11 rskins

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 01:07 AM

Hmm. I don't know guys.. I welded the lip on my mags, and they work flawlessly. I can switch between the saiga mag and the surplus mag no problem. Don't have to alter the gun at all. 2 minutes with the tig, 5 minutes with a file,and they are good to go.
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Do you have a pic of an unmodified mag so I can see the difference.
Where on the mag did you weld the lip?
I can't seem to tell from the picture.

thanks



sure,here you go :)
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I tapped and added a ramp, as well. its easy too. cant go wrong either way. out here in cali though, we can only use 10 round mags so it's easier for me to just use my saiga mag which unless you modify cant be used with the ramp. so I took out the ramp, and welded up the lips. Its your choice.. whichever you prefer :) :)

#12 fiveringstakezo

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 05:06 PM

Don't modify the mags--bad, bad, bad!

The Dinzag feed ramp is a good thing to install. However when you do it, be sure to set the screw in place with "red" locktight. Also a center-punch tap to the outside of the screw head is good also. I set mine in place also with a thin coat of that liquid metal two part expoxy that you can get in auto-parts stores.

If you live in CA. don't modify you mags--bad. Illegal. Felony.

To weld them up properly you need a special 0xycetelene tip (OOOO), and mixer... a large tip could wreck your mag--and also do a lot of damage to surrounding areas.

I welded up one mag to see if it would work--yeah it does. But then I looked at my stack of magazines and wondered.... it came to me that I should keep them original, and only two cheap mods to the Saiga would make them work, rather than a whole weekend full of micro-welding, grinding and filing.

The Dinzag ramp works--filing the mag latch works. Once you weld and should you choose too, file the mag tag, it's hard to go back.

#13 fiveringstakezo

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 05:09 PM

Hey this just occured to me....

Will a magazine modified to work in a Saiga, also then turn around and work in a regular AK?

Anyone know?

#14 rangerruck

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 10:32 PM

hmmm... I would think not, since the modded mag is gonna make the bullet jump sooner, than the ramp
that is in the inside of the AK.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 11:58 PM

It will also be looser at the rear locking tab (which may not bring the rounds up high enough to be stripped off by the bolt).
"Tactical" is a mindset, not an equipment list.

#16 rskins

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 08:02 PM

Don't modify the mags--bad, bad, bad!

The Dinzag feed ramp is a good thing to install. However when you do it, be sure to set the screw in place with "red" locktight. Also a center-punch tap to the outside of the screw head is good also. I set mine in place also with a thin coat of that liquid metal two part expoxy that you can get in auto-parts stores.

If you live in CA. don't modify you mags--bad. Illegal. Felony.

To weld them up properly you need a special 0xycetelene tip (OOOO), and mixer... a large tip could wreck your mag--and also do a lot of damage to surrounding areas.

I welded up one mag to see if it would work--yeah it does. But then I looked at my stack of magazines and wondered.... it came to me that I should keep them original, and only two cheap mods to the Saiga would make them work, rather than a whole weekend full of micro-welding, grinding and filing.

The Dinzag ramp works--filing the mag latch works. Once you weld and should you choose too, file the mag tag, it's hard to go back.


Hey thanks for the information. I didn't know it was illegal to modify the mag? :unsure: well ya learn something new every day(hopefully) I went ahead and reeinstalled the ramp, as well as reversed the modifications I made to the mags to restore them to there original state.
thanks again for straightening me out. I definately want to keep everything 100% legal :up: .

#17 Rogue-Sasquatch

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 11:05 PM

Y'know, the new 20-round black polymer ProMags (at least the 7.62 ones) lock up and feed just fine, without any modificaiton, in my unconverted Saiga.

Those are worth a shot.




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