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#1 KrisFox

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 09:31 PM

I'm trying to figure out if I want a Galil in .223/5.56 or an AK-74 in 5.45x39

What are the pros and cons of each and where are some good places to find them?
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Posted 06 August 2008 - 09:32 PM

I heartily suggest you do your research if you buy a non-Israeli made Galil.



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Posted 06 August 2008 - 09:41 PM

I heartily suggest you do your research if you buy a non-Israeli made Galil.



Really.

That's the first CON I ran into with the Galil.

Any reputable company's/builders that you know of?

Or a source for good parts kits and receivers?
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Posted 06 August 2008 - 09:56 PM

That's the first CON I ran into with the Galil.

Any reputable company's/builders that you know of?

Or a source for good parts kits and receivers?

Find a nice used IMI Galil.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:24 AM

Personally, I'd get a Galil.

The cons are the price of ammo, and that they are illegal in my state.
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:38 AM

Yeah, freaking CT right Twinsen. I live in RI on the CT border and you all have some nice clubs but I wont join. How did the state legislator ever get away with a ban on the 7.62 cartridge? All the while allowing NFA items.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 02:53 AM

I have to assume they wanted a ban on ALL ak actions, but they ended up just banning AK's in 7.62, and Galils in 5.56mm.
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:30 PM

Any thoughts on building from a kit using a US barrel, receiver?
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 12:46 PM

Any thoughts on building from a kit using a US barrel, receiver?

What kind of kit? AK74 or Galil ?
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:05 PM

Any thoughts on building from a kit using a US barrel, receiver?

What kind of kit? AK74 or Galil ?

Galil.
Yes it's a $250 shotgun. No, I paid $550 for it. Yes, I did a lot of work to it. Sure, I can build you one just like it for $1500.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:09 PM

I have both an IMI Galil (AA 392 - 16" ARM) and a 74 (Tantal). I much prefer the Galil. It's a tad on the heavy side, but better accuacy and utter reliability, not to mention more of a "cool" factor. I like the sights on the Galil better as well.
I have no experience with the newer "US" Galil's (Golani) but I have heard stories of poor workmanship on the receivers and assembly. Check out the GunPlumber site at AZ Response Systems.
http://www.arizonare...ageorfgalil.htm

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 01:13 PM

Any thoughts on building from a kit using a US barrel, receiver?

What kind of kit? AK74 or Galil ?

Galil.



I have both an IMI Galil (AA 392 - 16" ARM) and a 74 (Tantal). I much prefer the Galil. It's a tad on the heavy side, but better accuacy and utter reliability, not to mention more of a "cool" factor. I like the sights on the Galil better as well.
I have no experience with the newer "US" Galil's (Golani) but I have heard stories of poor workmanship on the receivers and assembly. Check out the GunPlumber site at AZ Response Systems.
http://www.arizonare...ageorfgalil.htm

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I cannot recommend a US made receiver to build your Galil on.

There is only one maker of these, and a potentially critical defect has been found in their manufacture.

The manufacturer will not answer any questions concerning this 'defect', rather diverting commentary to other topics.

This, to me, sends warning bells to max.

This info is easily findable on one of the dedicated AK discussion forums.
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 02:17 PM

Any thoughts on building from a kit using a US barrel, receiver?

What kind of kit? AK74 or Galil ?

Galil.



I have both an IMI Galil (AA 392 - 16" ARM) and a 74 (Tantal). I much prefer the Galil. It's a tad on the heavy side, but better accuacy and utter reliability, not to mention more of a "cool" factor. I like the sights on the Galil better as well.
I have no experience with the newer "US" Galil's (Golani) but I have heard stories of poor workmanship on the receivers and assembly. Check out the GunPlumber site at AZ Response Systems.
http://www.arizonare...ageorfgalil.htm

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I cannot recommend a US made receiver to build your Galil on.

There is only one maker of these, and a potentially critical defect has been found in their manufacture.

The manufacturer will not answer any questions concerning this 'defect', rather diverting commentary to other topics.

This, to me, sends warning bells to max.

This info is easily findable on one of the dedicated AK discussion forums.

Sounds like I'm shopping for a used IMI Galil. Whats a good price LNIB? 90% 80% 70%
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 05:21 PM

Sounds like I'm shopping for a used IMI Galil. Whats a good price LNIB? 90% 80% 70%

Nothing wrong with an AK74 clone:

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or two :devil:

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 06:07 PM

Sounds like I'm shopping for a used IMI Galil. Whats a good price LNIB? 90% 80% 70%

Nothing wrong with an AK74 clone:

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or two :devil:

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Sadly - I have to agree with nalioth... :cryss:
I bought my Galil NIB in 1988 for $750 (with tax) and that included 3x 35 rounders and 1x 50 rounder and sling, manual, box, etc...
However, in 2008 - Any IMI Galil is gonna run anywhere from $2000 - $3500; and you may (or may not) get a couple of mags and, if lucky, another accessory or two.
I also have a Norinco BWK-92 (stamped, Chinese, .223 AK -a la AK-84(s)) that I converted using a Galil AR forearm & Flash Hider and an Ace stock. But, it requires propriatary Norinco .223 mags...
Again, you probably won't get an Israeli made Galil (in any condition) for under $2000. Todays money would be better spent on a reasonable substitute (like a Valmet, which - for some reason - seem to go for about 1/2 of what a Galil runs, or a converted Saiga .223 or an Arsenal milled .223...) I'd avoid the potential heartache of a ORF/Century Galil, just on principle....

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 06:26 PM

Sounds like I'm shopping for a used IMI Galil. Whats a good price LNIB? 90% 80% 70%

Nothing wrong with an AK74 clone:

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or two :devil:

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Sadly - I have to agree with nalioth... :cryss:
I bought my Galil NIB in 1988 for $750 (with tax) and that included 3x 35 rounders and 1x 50 rounder and sling, manual, box, etc...
However, in 2008 - Any IMI Galil is gonna run anywhere from $2000 - $3500; and you may (or may not) get a couple of mags and, if lucky, another accessory or two.
I also have a Norinco BWK-92 (stamped, Chinese, .223 AK -a la AK-84(s)) that I converted using a Galil AR forearm & Flash Hider and an Ace stock. But, it requires propriatary Norinco .223 mags...
Again, you probably won't get an Israeli made Galil (in any condition) for under $2000. Todays money would be better spent on a reasonable substitute (like a Valmet, which - for some reason - seem to go for about 1/2 of what a Galil runs, or a converted Saiga .223 or an Arsenal milled .223...) I'd avoid the potential heartache of a ORF/Century Galil, just on principle....

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Well I guess I'll start a Siaga 5.45 fund for a AK-74 clone.

I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope someone comes out with a high quality US Galil receiver. Maybe it will come befor the 5.45 Saiga.
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Posted 09 August 2008 - 10:23 AM

If you can bank an IMI Galil, that would be my first choice. I had an Action Arms import that was second to none in my collection. In my experience, they sight and shoot noticeably better than any of my other AK's. I did a build on an ORF receiver pictured that did in fact have a growing headspace issue that I've taken some steps to correct-once I get the round count up I'll be able to determine if it was caused by un-even bolt lug lands in the receiver, or if the receiver is in fact soft. In either event, it also shoots exceptionally well for something that might one day be a wall hanger or parts kit.
Next choice would be a .223 Saiga build up, then the Tantal only because I have no other AK 74's to use as a baseline. If you decide to go 5.45, load up on ammo NOW before it's too late. Best bang for the buck right now.

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 02:59 AM

given current ammo market and the fact my finances are always a factor.... A quality ak-74, a russian scope and several thousand rounds of surplus ammo for the price of an IMI galil .......... personally I think I would take the 74 and rathole some ammo (but then again) I am one of those weird ones that puts ati thumbhole stocks on my guns and never shoots from the hip. I don't do folding stocks or gadgets up the wasoo and do not believe coolness is a factor in selecting a rifle.........

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 02:11 PM

I own both. The argument for each is persuasive.

Cheap ammo for the 74 is nice. Granted the really cheap stuff is corrosive meaning you simply HAVE to clean you guns (not a bad thing) after each range session, BUT the sights suck.

The Galil is the Mercedes Benz of the AK world. For me and mine having a 1 in 7 twist barrel that LOVES the Privi 75 grain stuff, I like the Galil more. HOWEVER the Bulgarian AKS 74 is a DAMN CLOSE second. The 74 is lighter and "handier" but the sights suck.

What I really want (and I am have one of my Galils rebuilt) is a Galil in 5.45...

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 12:35 AM

hmm, scratch both ideas and get a .308 galil ;) hehehe, I'd try to find a friend or someone who had both and shoot both and get a feel for what you want. I rarely buy a gun i haven't handled or shot.
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Posted 21 January 2009 - 01:12 AM

The .308 Galils are notorious for cracking the bolt, I have seen it myself.

The 5.45x39mm is a fairly inexpensive round, by current standards anyway.

I prefer the Galil to the AK74, but I have always wanted one in 7.62x39mm, too heavy for a 5.56 NATO in my opinion, but a hell of a design.

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 07:32 PM

My vote goes for the Galil. The Galil have a very good reputation with this supplier,( http://www.classicarms.us/ , Read this supplier's write up on these guns. I bought a gun from him and it was exactly as he described it. Personally, I like the rear peep sights mounted where you need them. Rear peep sights are a very desirable improvement to the AK design as they allow the shooter to better realize the accuracy of the AK rifle. Check out the high dollar Tromix AK rifles and you will see the rear peep sights and improved front sights similar to the Galil. (link) If you don't like the Galil rifle, I would dare say, you will probably be able to sell it for a nice profit in a few month.

Galil are low recoil, fast shooting and .223 ammo will always be available in the future, always. The future availability of 5.45 ammo is anybody guess.

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 12:11 PM

issue with the Tantal's is the barrel from what Ive read. I forget but there's a certain manufacturer that you want or else the barrel isnt in spec and creates a tumbling effect with the bullet




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