If Obama wins can they take our guns away?

[gunnysmith 4]

I sold all my guns and sent some of the money to Obamas brother in Kenya and the rest to his Aunt and Uncle that live in the Boston Slum.

I feel sooooo much better.

[uzitiger 193]

If you think it can't happen then google "Gun control England" or "Gun control Canada" or "Gun control Australia". If you think it can't happen here in the U.S. talk to anyone from California, New York, Massachussetts or Maryland. Ask gun owners in New Orleans if they recieved their guns back yet from the illegal confiscation after Katrina.

Biden pronounced himself during one of the debates that "...I invented the last Assault Weapon Ban.." and "...I was dissapointed the AWB was not continued!" Pelosi is a major antigun fanatic and imagine if she is Majority Leader of a overwhemingly Democratic Senate. It's probably a better question as to when it will happen if Obama/ Biden make it to the White House.

 

Don't forget where gun registration was first applied:; Nazi Germany. Hitler then used the registrations to disarm his opponents while arming his thugs. Obama has the same ideas. He is the most anti gun member in the US Senate and has contempt for the US Constitution.

[jay21 0]

There are some of us "cold dead hands" types, perhaps 3 percent of gun owners, who would kill anyone who tried to further restrict our God-given liberty. Don't extrapolate from your own cowardice and assume that just because you would do anything the government told you to do that we would.

 

Read the rest here

[Twinsen 86]

Pfff, if the government wants our guns, we're going to give them to them. If it gets that far, blame the northeast. When the entire map of the country turns red on election night, except for the northeast and california, and they explain that that's 51% of the population... blame the northeast. Then we can complain and nobody will listen. It'll happen eventually. So get those shovels ready, because "you lost that gun years back"!

[dayanx 1]

There are some of us "cold dead hands" types, perhaps 3 percent of gun owners, who would kill anyone who tried to further restrict our God-given liberty. Don't extrapolate from your own cowardice and assume that just because you would do anything the government told you to do that we would.

 

Read the rest here

 

 

you sir, are right on more than one level....

 

 

some of my chums are even rattling on about a continuation of the fucking CIVIL WAR!?!?!?!!

[Vultite 57]

foil hats for everyone!! but seriously, if it ever came down to it, who here has a "registered" gun? We all know that we all sold our weapons due to the shitty economy right?

[GPalmer 1]

Is there no registration in the US now??!!

No, the information on the form at the shop is supposed to be processed and discarded. At least one state police force has violated that though and maintained records of all the checks that went through their hands. I believe that the forms however are kept around for years by the gun shop and have to be sent in to the government if the shop goes out of business. There are some areas where registration is required, for instance handguns in Washington, DC, but metropolitan areas are the only ones I have heard of that perform registration.

[22_Shooter 1,560]

but seriously, if it ever came down to it, who here has a "registered" gun?

 

Every person on this board that has an SBR, SBS, silencer or MG.

[dnp 1]

Couple years ago a cop knocked on my door around 8 p.m. He asked if I owned a pistol with a certain s/n. I asked why he wanted to know, he said that a detective in Va. had been trying to contact me about it but had been unsuccessful so asked local PD to ask. I called the detective and asked why he wanted to know...he said a felon had been arrested out there and had a pistol of that type and s/n and it traced to me. I checked that I had that pistol and of course still did....it hadn't been stolen and ended up out in Va.

 

The factory, AMT in Ca., had applied the same s/n to my pistol as well as the felon's. Both identical .45 Backups.

 

Maybe even more than only two as far as I know.

 

The point is, I had bought the pistol here locally at a gunshop and a cop in Va. had the info, apparently. So it isn't only ATF guns, it's every gun we buy and the gunshop fills out the 4373 form.

 

Will be a simple matter to mobilize the local socialist brownshirts to go from address to address and busting down the door and opening up on any of us counter-revolutionarys who dare to oppose the new imperium.

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

Manufacturer records serial number of gun and records what Wholesaler it goes to

Wholesaler records serial number of gun and what dealer it goes to

Dealer records serial number of gun and enters it in book along with original purchaser info

You sell gun at garage sale and the trail ends.

 

Sorry my state doesn't require that I keep records.

[dnp 1]

Manufacturer records serial number of gun and records what Wholesaler it goes to

Wholesaler records serial number of gun and what dealer it goes to

Dealer records serial number of gun and enters it in book along with original purchaser info

You sell gun at garage sale and the trail ends.

 

Sorry my state doesn't require that I keep records.

 

Mfg apparently stamped same s/n on at least 2 identical .45 AMT Backups. Isn't that illegal, or something?

 

At the minimum it seems that it defeats the purpose of serial numbers.

 

Maybe that is a good thing, though.

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

Manufacturer records serial number of gun and records what Wholesaler it goes to

Wholesaler records serial number of gun and what dealer it goes to

Dealer records serial number of gun and enters it in book along with original purchaser info

You sell gun at garage sale and the trail ends.

 

Sorry my state doesn't require that I keep records.

 

Mfg apparently stamped same s/n on at least 2 identical .45 AMT Backups. Isn't that illegal, or something?

 

At the minimum it seems that it defeats the purpose of serial numbers.

 

Maybe that is a good thing, though.

I can't really address that. I know that ALL of my ammunition has the same serial number. I'll have to tell you that your story is the first of its kind I have seen or heard of. Maybe you could sue somebody and retire.

1911

[dnp 1]

Manufacturer records serial number of gun and records what Wholesaler it goes to

Wholesaler records serial number of gun and what dealer it goes to

Dealer records serial number of gun and enters it in book along with original purchaser info

You sell gun at garage sale and the trail ends.

 

Sorry my state doesn't require that I keep records.

 

Mfg apparently stamped same s/n on at least 2 identical .45 AMT Backups. Isn't that illegal, or something?

 

At the minimum it seems that it defeats the purpose of serial numbers.

 

Maybe that is a good thing, though.

I can't really address that. I know that ALL of my ammunition has the same serial number. I'll have to tell you that your story is the first of its kind I have seen or heard of. Maybe you could sue somebody and retire.

1911

 

Retirement has been quite pleasant for 5 years thank you. If only there was a valid lawsuit. The Va. detective responded that "Well, they make mistakes like everyone" when I asked if it wasn't illegal to stamp the same s/n on two identical pistols. Whatever, I guess.

[MikeD 541]

I'll put it this way: there's a LOT of BBs scattered throughout my backyard from my younger days practicing with a BB gun. That yard would light up like a Christmas tree to a metal detector. I've got a full carton, too, if I ever need to spread more.

 

Also: There is NOTHING wrong with eliminating lead ammo once a similarly inexpensive substitute is available. Right now the best candidate seems to be bismuth. Bismuth is non-toxic, but is almost the exact same weight and hardness as lead. Effectively this means you get the same performance of lead bullets and shot. The same fragmentation, the same range. Whether bismuth is available in sufficient quantity to make it cheap and viable is another question. If they sold it cheaply, I'd have no problems with switching over to bismuth ammo.

Their metal detectors will be much more advanced than that to be tricked by BB's but I am betting you have some scattered woods close by.

 

On the lead replacement. There is a company named PolyOne. They have developed a plastic lead replacement for the military. It has the exact same weight to volume ratio as lead. I haven't looked into the price of the material but am sure at the time it is way cheaper to use lead. But if everyone started using it the price would drop and it would be way cheaper than lead could ever think about being. The name of the material is Gravitech. That is a trade name given to it by PolyOne.

[hallboss 1]

When I was on active patrol I consistently ran firearms in AFS and found the firearm I was holding was registered to 5 people at the same time. After several instances of this I started asking around and found out there are a lot of manufacturers that use the "serial number" as a "product number" or visa versa. This doesn't usually happen with the more expensive guns.

 

I saw this with Jennings, Firestar, Republic and some of the other cheaper brands.

[Combat Medic 5]

hey MD......what is this E4473?

 

can you post a link?

[dancapostagno 0]

now I know that freedom of speech means that every riled-up yahoo who has consumed that dangerous combination of way too much Fox News & way too much Mountain Dew has the right to immediately chime in behind me that I'm wrong, and I don't/couldn't know what I'm talking about and wah wah wah...

 

but speaking as a published political scientist who has done multiple in-depth theses on gun control and gun control politics for the last 3 YEARS or so...

 

I am telling you all... I implore everyone...

 

RELAX

 

seriously. i know you know a guy, who has a brother, who has a friend, who heard from a guy at a gun shop who heard Joe Biden say some crazy stuff...but it's his job to talk. he made some crazy-sounding anti-gun comments in front of some "blue state" types, he made some crazy-sounding pro-gun comments in front of some "red state" types, and according to the pundits, he'd most likely say crazy-sounding stuff regardless. but as one of the few people you guys know who is an actual expert on the subject, who therefore possesses the rare combination of factual, science-based knowledge AND the genuine desire to help you all with your bloodpressure- please stop listening to the wild speculation and fear-mongering.

 

now I hate to dispel the commonly-held belief that we're all a bunch of special snowflakes, around whom the whole world of politicians and industrialists revolves around, but the reality is that between money, political power, and the combination of both, political ideologies on both the left and right of the spectrum matter very little beyond the realm of airwave chatter, oh...and the opportunity to gouge you while you impulse buy out of artificially-manufactured terror.

 

I could probably go on, but this post is long enough.

[MCASgt New River 10,036]

For those of us that do and want to acquire registered NFA weapons think he will stop those as well? It's a tax that makes the GOV money, seems like a good thing to allow?

[yakdung 2,926]

Shouldn't worry so much about the guns as what damage he is going to do to the entire country.

 

Yakdung

[WardenWolf 6]

Mfg apparently stamped same s/n on at least 2 identical .45 AMT Backups. Isn't that illegal, or something?

 

At the minimum it seems that it defeats the purpose of serial numbers.

 

Maybe that is a good thing, though.

 

It happens from time to time, with vehicles as well. There have been a few cases where people have had their vehicles (particularly foreign-produced motorcycles) incorrectly impounded because the same serial number was stamped on more than one frame. Basically the stamp machine can break down or otherwise malfunction and fail to roll over to the next number, and stamp the same number again. It's usually not intentional.