Guest gunsmith 1 Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I was wonding if it was it is against the law to make your own mags for the saiga 12. ga. I can make my own to hold over 20 rounds and work and was wondering if that was illegal. your freindly gunsmith 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 I don't know about legality, but more than ten rounds of 12 ga. is going to be darned unwieldy. My bet: a reliable 8-10 rounder for less than $50 will be a winner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gunsmith 1 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I can make them under 50 bucks but is it legal to do. I like guns and I dodn't want to see that disapear because I made a couple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Legality depends on your state of residence and its laws. It is illegal to have them, supposedly, in NY state, where I live.... If you have any for sale, I will buy one... got any pics of these?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pistonring8 1 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 In pennsylvania there is no limit whatsoever on mag capacity. If you want a 20 round drum in your shotty, its legal here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think if you want legal advice you should call the BATF or a lawyer, all your getting here is opinion, not advice. Good opinions mind you, but they are not gonna help you out in a courtroom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 there are a few states with magazine capacity laws. check your state's gun legislature to see if you have a cap limit. federal lmits right now are nil, but if someone were to produce a 20 round drum for the saiga, it would surely be deemed a destructive device by the feds and then i wouldnt worry about legality in your state the best place to call is either your county sherriff, or state police front desk and ask to speak to the armorer about a legality question with magazine capacity in your area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 If you can make them, go for it. There's a huge market for S-12 mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogi 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I was just thinking the same thing. I know somebody who works for a company that (bear with me) has these rapid prototyping machines. If you input a CAD model, it can make the model no matter how complex. It's very similiar to a inkjet printer....it picks up metallic sand and sprays it preciously where it needs to go. After about 20hrs and some baking.....you have something for injection molding. Took a tour of the place.....blew my mind. The possibilities...... I'm gonna talk to him sometime....maybe he could hook me up with some mag casts and negatives.....hmmmmmmm another pipe dream Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Convince him of the SALES POTENTIAL.... and your pipe dream may wind up closer to reality than you imagine!!! I can *GUARANTEE* if you can make high cap mags in the calibers folks here are clammoring for... you can LITERALLY SELL HUNDREDS OF EACH!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogi 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 (edited) Convince him of the SALES POTENTIAL.... and your pipe dream may wind up closer to reality than you imagine!!! I can *GUARANTEE* if you can make high cap mags in the calibers folks here are clammoring for... you can LITERALLY SELL HUNDREDS OF EACH!!!!!! Sending email now.......I'm trying to word the "why" without making it sound like I'm in it for the money. Stating it has to be imported, over priced, hard to find..etc..... Plastic mags are do-able right? Edited February 1, 2005 by Rogi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Plastic mags are do-able.... You just want to be sure if they are synthetic, that they will be RUGGED.... not just cheap plastic that can crack or split... they have to be able to withstand the forces of recoil, etc..... and recoil at extreme temps, too... for those that shoot in HOT or COLD environments... heat and cold can tweak plastics under odd forces.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogi 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 (edited) Didn't consider that thanks. I don't think they would be involved in the actual production (well not for free at least). They had another weird machine that could produce large metal parts from a sandbox....ie intakes manifild..... Edited February 1, 2005 by Rogi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 VERY COOL!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogi 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 VERY COOL!!! Indeed.....this guy is cool as hell. I'm interested in hearing what he says.... Ideallly, its as simple as getting several casts for each type of mag then finding someone to produce them (here or abroad). I'm not a ME (Comp Engr here), so I could be way off........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Well, If I could find out what EXACT polymer composite they use for the polymer mags... I could talk to the folks down the street here at tessy plastics... see what they could do... they are just 3 miles from me and a HUGE plastics manufacturer!! might be able to work something out! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogi 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Well, If I could find out what EXACT polymer composite they use for the polymer mags... I could talk to the folks down the street here at tessy plastics... see what they could do... they are just 3 miles from me and a HUGE plastics manufacturer!! might be able to work something out! We may have something afterall lol...... I'll see what he says first. I haven't mentioned what exactly "it" is.....better to talk in person and explain it first. PM me your AIM id Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Check out their website.... www.tessy.com maybe you can link your dudes to them... and make it happen???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogi 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 We'll see what he says......fingers crossed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gunsmith 1 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 After calling the atf in my area that is fargo N.D. I have learned that there is no legal limit to capacity of a shot gun. He wished me luck on making them and siad to be carful. THen he said off the record to be careful I dodn't make a destructive device. I hacled with him over the subject looking for a clear yes or no answer . I stated that a civilian can own a 100 round .223 ar 15.! Why couldn,t he own a 12 - 20 round 12 ga. After that he told me about classifications on sporting rifle " what would you use it for " " I said I was a bad shot (LOL) and needed a couple more rounds to kill deer" and also like to go out and plink have fun not run out of fun so fast . He then told me that there was no law agianst it but he would prefer that I didn't What do you guys get out of that. I am a law to the letter man myself so if the law thinks mabey possibly then what do you guys think yes or no. , your local gunsmith 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 That is good news, but can we get it in writing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 sorry that was me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 What might help is if someone would make just the magazine body, then switch out the spring,end plate and follower. Would make for an easier project, no assembly costs, no multiple vendor hassles and such. For a limited run for testing the market it should be eaisier to convince someone to make a few hundred bodies rather than complete magazines? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 What might help is if someone would make just the magazine body, then switch out the spring,end plate and follower. Would make for an easier project, no assembly costs, no multiple vendor hassles and such. For a limited run for testing the market it should be eaisier to convince someone to make a few hundred bodies rather than complete magazines? Yup....we'll see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wintermute76 0 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I would guess the plastic is some type of glass reinforced nylon? The metal parts from the sandbox sounds like sand casting. You put a pattern in a oil impregnated sand and pack the sand around it, take he halves apart, reassemble, and pour metal in, let it cool and knock the sand off. Made a vise in high school like that. Wish I could do more casting, fun stuff. Rapid prototype machine would be cool too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swiftvision 0 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 IT's 100% legal. The Assult Rifle ban is over. Unless you live in NY or CA or the two other Komi states. It's 100% legal. Got to knoxx industires....they have a 10 round 12 gauge drum for sale for the mossburg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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