dvdivx 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Other than HP in wolf Military classic I can't find any recent info if Barnual's, Brown/Golden/Silver Bear or Wolf black box Hollow points expand in deer sized targets or if they would be good for self defense. The soft points tend to have some expansion but work well as deer rounds. Not sure on self defense with a soft point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t165 30 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I've never shot anything larger than a coyote or similar sized domestic animal with a 7.62x39. For the past several years I have only used brown and silver bear softpoints (mostly silver bear). I never recovered any bullets. I cannot say for sure if the bullets are expanding or not but it sure knocks them on their ass. I drew my brother-in-laws name for christmas and he wanted some hollowpoints for his SKS to whack coyotes. I bought him two boxes of Wolf hollowpoints. I'll ask him how they perform. I also purchased some silver bear 62gr softpoints in 223 for him and was told they do not expand well at all. He lives about 1 mile from the Wabash Valley Correctional Facility in Carlisle, Indiana and raises a few head of cattle. Seems the coyotes have a tendency of hanging out near the farm and eating his feral cats... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesavery22 54 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I've done 0 testing so this is just what I've heard from others. The common rusky HP design is BS. Basically a hole drilled into an FMJ that causes no mushrooming at all. They act just like FMJ's. Now soft-points on the other hand rock: http://www.brassfetcher.com/7.62x39mm%20Wo...ft%20Point.html http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=310 Edited January 29, 2009 by jamesavery22 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mstranglr 9 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Corbon DPX is the best 7.62x39 hunting ammo money can buy. Make sure you re-zero with it, POI will be different than with other ammo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbremount 0 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) FWIK, Eastern block ammo and Western block ammo are designed with totally different ideology. Eastern block ammo, FMJ or HP is not engineered or designed to expand. The eastern block ammo has a large air pocket in the nose of the bullet. It upsets, tumbles and goes sideways, sometimes completely reversing. This is what gives the bullet it's effectiveness. It definitely "will not" drill straight through as western block FMJ ammo does. The HP is designated as such to make it a hunting bullet, thus making it legal. It is never the less, pretty much the same as the FMJ bullets. The Wolf MC hollow point is the bullets I would use, but the other eastern bloc hollow point or FMJ bullets will work also. They will tumble upon impact. Edited January 31, 2009 by jbremount Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whathasn'tbeenused 0 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 testing in water....milk jugs.... a wolf hp will penetrate around 4-5 milk jugs and will have the back end of the bullet squished a little....they look like "the magic bullet" then was consistent on over 20 or 30 recovered so no they do not expand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bob_L 0 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Actually, many, if not most, of domestic hollow point rifle bullets are not designed for expansion as well. Hollow point rifle ammunition is designed so that it has a base of jacket material that is perfectly perpendicular to the bore for maximum accuracy, rather than having an exposed lead base with the jacket on the edges of the base. The hollow point is due to the necessities of the manufacturing process for maximum accuracy, not for expansion, and is small relative to the dimeter of the bullet. Hollow point handgun bullets, on the other hand, are generally designed to expand, and have large hollow cavities relative to the diameter of the bullet - often with the jacket material scored to facilitate expansion. Edited February 1, 2009 by bob_L Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGlobule 1 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Most manufacturers call their JHP ammo "Hunting load". I believe it has something to do with easier exportation to some countries. The hole is so small on my 7.62x39 Brown Bear JHP that I don't think there is a lot of difference with FMJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
m1key 7 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Wolf Military Classic 7.62x39 has a 124 JHP 8m3 bullet which will reliably fragment. Edited February 5, 2009 by m1key Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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