sam1chlt 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 BRILLIANT!! I am glad I joined this site with such good information! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scarbrough68289 76 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 I ordered from ajax and am waiting to get these to see if I have any issues. Picking the gun up friday and should have all my parts to start conversion soon too. Hope these work the price is great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dtromblee 0 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I think one noticeable difference from the AGP to the Pro-mag is the spring tension. In the AGP mag more force is required to push down the follower. I believe this may have something to do with the shell nose diving a little when the mag is fully loaded. As far as all of the extra movement with the follower from front to back, I don't have that issue with the 6 Pro-mags I have. There is some movement, but no more than what my AGP mags have. I am going to swamp out the springs from an AGP to a Pro-mag and see if that corrects or at least lessens the shell nose angleing downward on a fully loaded mag. As far as the followers full range of motion, the pro-mag seems to have a much smoother feel to it than the AGP. I can feel "sticking" spots in a few places throughout the full stroke of the follower. Not really a big concern because this is easily rectified. After I swap the springs and yield a stronger spring tension in the Pro-mag, I will post back with my thoughts. DT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hktome 1 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I think one noticeable difference from the AGP to the Pro-mag is the spring tension. In the AGP mag more force is required to push down the follower. I believe this may have something to do with the shell nose diving a little when the mag is fully loaded. As far as all of the extra movement with the follower from front to back, I don't have that issue with the 6 Pro-mags I have. There is some movement, but no more than what my AGP mags have. I am going to swamp out the springs from an AGP to a Pro-mag and see if that corrects or at least lessens the shell nose angleing downward on a fully loaded mag. As far as the followers full range of motion, the pro-mag seems to have a much smoother feel to it than the AGP. I can feel "sticking" spots in a few places throughout the full stroke of the follower. Not really a big concern because this is easily rectified. After I swap the springs and yield a stronger spring tension in the Pro-mag, I will post back with my thoughts. DT got 1 ordered from AJAX today backordered -of course, 7 to 10 days they say ,I warned them they are going to get slammed because of their rock bottom pricing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sam1chlt 0 Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I am going to start filing mine to fit today.....any recommendations??? I saw the other site, but I figured their may be another way! I just don't want to screw them up....especially at $48 a piece! Thanks for the advice in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dtromblee 0 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I posted a fitting procedure on how I fit the Pro-mags to my saiga. I have had great results from this fitting. I think its on the second page of the forum main screen. DT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prometheus 7 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 got 1 ordered from AJAX today backordered -of course, 7 to 10 days they say ,I warned them they are going to get slammed because of their rock bottom pricing! So basically you told them to raise their prices? Glad I got my order in this AM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 The only other issue I'm concerned about (since it appears the polymer has sufficient strength) right now is, I picked through a stack of 5 mags at the gun show, and 4 out of those 5 had followers that were coming up past the stops and hitting the feed lips. This isn't good. The bolt is going to slam right into the back of the follower. And before people start seeing that and getting LRBHO jollies ...the mag is probably not going to take that kind of abuse for very long. I have seen this same thing happen with some AGP mags too though. I had that same issue with the one I bought for testing. I fixed the problem easily. When you take the mag apart you will notice the follower is too narrow in the mag. The lugs on the follower that are supposed to stop it as it rides up in the grooves on the mag do not catch at the top. The follower has 'shrunken' after being molded. THE FIX: 1) Take a wine cork and stab it with a fork. (Fix works better while drinking the wine!) 2) Insert cork/fork into follower causing the follower to bulge out. 3) Get a coffee cup big enough for the follower/cork/fork to fit into, and fill it with boiling hot water. 4) Using the fork, dunk the follower/cork into the boiling water for ONLY 10-15 seconds. IMMEDIATELY rise with cold water. 5) Remove cork from follower and test fit follower in mag. Repeat as necessary. 6) OPTIONAL: Finish bottle of wine to celebrate fixing your mag! 6A) OPTIONAL: Try saying 'follower/cork/fork' quickly and repeatedly after drinking bottle of wine. Hysterical! Jeff, how is this fix holding up? Any problems with the follower returning to it's shrunken state, after putting some rounds through it? I've got a ProMag and it seems I have the problem. See my pics in this post: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=322154 . Also, it seems I'm going to need to fiddle with it to even insert into the gun more easily. It's a pain, as is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BEACH HUNTER 0 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 My 10 round promags have been fine...after a little fitting and lube they are nice and smooth...no gritty spots....high brass do not stick.I just put 100 rounds of slugs and buck shot mix through mine this week alone!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot12 11 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 My 10 round promags have been fine...after a little fitting and lube they are nice and smooth...no gritty spots....high brass do not stick.I just put 100 rounds of slugs and buck shot mix through mine this week alone!! Is 10 promags enough or should I get more? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I should get a delivery today... And I'm thinking of making this my "go-to" mag in terms of future purchases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdeitch 32 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) The only other issue I'm concerned about (since it appears the polymer has sufficient strength) right now is, I picked through a stack of 5 mags at the gun show, and 4 out of those 5 had followers that were coming up past the stops and hitting the feed lips. This isn't good. The bolt is going to slam right into the back of the follower. And before people start seeing that and getting LRBHO jollies ...the mag is probably not going to take that kind of abuse for very long. I have seen this same thing happen with some AGP mags too though. I had that same issue with the one I bought for testing. I fixed the problem easily. When you take the mag apart you will notice the follower is too narrow in the mag. The lugs on the follower that are supposed to stop it as it rides up in the grooves on the mag do not catch at the top. The follower has 'shrunken' after being molded. THE FIX: 1) Take a wine cork and stab it with a fork. (Fix works better while drinking the wine!) 2) Insert cork/fork into follower causing the follower to bulge out. 3) Get a coffee cup big enough for the follower/cork/fork to fit into, and fill it with boiling hot water. 4) Using the fork, dunk the follower/cork into the boiling water for ONLY 10-15 seconds. IMMEDIATELY rise with cold water. 5) Remove cork from follower and test fit follower in mag. Repeat as necessary. 6) OPTIONAL: Finish bottle of wine to celebrate fixing your mag! 6A) OPTIONAL: Try saying 'follower/cork/fork' quickly and repeatedly after drinking bottle of wine. Hysterical! Jeff, how is this fix holding up? Any problems with the follower returning to it's shrunken state, after putting some rounds through it? I've got a ProMag and it seems I have the problem. See my pics in this post: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=322154 . Also, it seems I'm going to need to fiddle with it to even insert into the gun more easily. It's a pain, as is. My mod is still fine. I don't expect it to change. The follower probably 'shrunk' originally due to too rapid of cooling after being removed from the mold. Once heated and reshaped it shound retain its new shape. Almost EVERY mag will require some degree of fitting to work in a Saiga. It's not so much to do with the mag but with the manufacturing variances in the Saiga itself. JD 8^) Edited February 20, 2009 by JeffD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 The only other issue I'm concerned about (since it appears the polymer has sufficient strength) right now is, I picked through a stack of 5 mags at the gun show, and 4 out of those 5 had followers that were coming up past the stops and hitting the feed lips. This isn't good. The bolt is going to slam right into the back of the follower. And before people start seeing that and getting LRBHO jollies ...the mag is probably not going to take that kind of abuse for very long. I have seen this same thing happen with some AGP mags too though. I had that same issue with the one I bought for testing. I fixed the problem easily. When you take the mag apart you will notice the follower is too narrow in the mag. The lugs on the follower that are supposed to stop it as it rides up in the grooves on the mag do not catch at the top. The follower has 'shrunken' after being molded. THE FIX: 1) Take a wine cork and stab it with a fork. (Fix works better while drinking the wine!) 2) Insert cork/fork into follower causing the follower to bulge out. 3) Get a coffee cup big enough for the follower/cork/fork to fit into, and fill it with boiling hot water. 4) Using the fork, dunk the follower/cork into the boiling water for ONLY 10-15 seconds. IMMEDIATELY rise with cold water. 5) Remove cork from follower and test fit follower in mag. Repeat as necessary. 6) OPTIONAL: Finish bottle of wine to celebrate fixing your mag! 6A) OPTIONAL: Try saying 'follower/cork/fork' quickly and repeatedly after drinking bottle of wine. Hysterical! I just tried this, and it worked great!! The follower no longer goes to the feedlips, and stops where it should. Now, if I can just get the damn mag to lock into the damn gun. I got it to lock in once........just once, when I first got it and was test fitting it. Now I can't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voonman 133 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 The only other issue I'm concerned about (since it appears the polymer has sufficient strength) right now is, I picked through a stack of 5 mags at the gun show, and 4 out of those 5 had followers that were coming up past the stops and hitting the feed lips. This isn't good. The bolt is going to slam right into the back of the follower. And before people start seeing that and getting LRBHO jollies ...the mag is probably not going to take that kind of abuse for very long. I have seen this same thing happen with some AGP mags too though. I had that same issue with the one I bought for testing. I fixed the problem easily. When you take the mag apart you will notice the follower is too narrow in the mag. The lugs on the follower that are supposed to stop it as it rides up in the grooves on the mag do not catch at the top. The follower has 'shrunken' after being molded. THE FIX: 1) Take a wine cork and stab it with a fork. (Fix works better while drinking the wine!) 2) Insert cork/fork into follower causing the follower to bulge out. 3) Get a coffee cup big enough for the follower/cork/fork to fit into, and fill it with boiling hot water. 4) Using the fork, dunk the follower/cork into the boiling water for ONLY 10-15 seconds. IMMEDIATELY rise with cold water. 5) Remove cork from follower and test fit follower in mag. Repeat as necessary. 6) OPTIONAL: Finish bottle of wine to celebrate fixing your mag! 6A) OPTIONAL: Try saying 'follower/cork/fork' quickly and repeatedly after drinking bottle of wine. Hysterical! I just tried this, and it worked great!! The follower no longer goes to the feedlips, and stops where it should. Now, if I can just get the damn mag to lock into the damn gun. I got it to lock in once........just once, when I first got it and was test fitting it. Now I can't. I love this site..You guys are the best when it comes to fixes...I was having the same problem with my promag..It would not fit in the magwell of my saiga 12..You need to shave off a little bit of the plastic by the metal feed lips..And that should fix the problem..Dont shave off too much just a little at a time and keep fitting until it clicks in.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonblack 9 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Any updates from the guys who ordered mags from ajaxgrips.com? Did you get your $30 mags yet? Thanks jonblack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneseo1911 2 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 So I ordered mine from thegunsource.com two weeks ago, and they showed up yesterday. They were $30.99/ea. The fitting was quite easy. Took about 2 min/mag with a small file. Mags are now easy to "click in" but still nice and snug. The followers are still too small. I don't have a wine cork in my house, but I do have a small hammer about the right size and a heat gun ($10 at Harbor Freight!) , which worked nicely. I widened the followers out and fixed that problem, but rounds 3-5 were refusing to chamber as I cycled the gun by hand. The front of the shell jammed between the bottom edge of the barrel and the part of the receiver that the bolt locks into. This occurred with all four mags. I worked on it for about 6 hours, filing here and there with no success. Finally, I figured out that the follower is rocking in the mag body and allowing the noses of the rounds to drop down. The solution was to again use the heat gun to heat the followers and, using two pairs of pliers, bend the BACK edge of the follower out about 1/4 inch. This forces the front of the follower to stay in the up position. This allowed the gun to manually cycle all the rounds I tried, including the very high brass Rio 00 buck I have. Once I figured this out, it took about 5 minutes to fix each mag. I'm excited to try these out & make sure they cycle during live fire. If Promag would get their followers made properly, they'd have some nice mags. As they are, I'm glad I only paid $30 for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bloodline 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 still waiting on ajax. about 5 weeks now i think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 still waiting on ajax. about 5 weeks now i think. Same here. Thinking about canceling the order and looking elsewhere.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre 0 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) I'm local to Ajax - they just got their shipment of ProMags in today and they had 300 when I called. I went over and picked up a couple for evaluation. I may go back and get more later. They seem sturdy enough, but the two I got need fitting around the mag catch tab - I will have to remove material from the sides of the tab to get it to slot in properly. My S12 is a 2001-stamped EAA/Cocoa FL gun without BHO or muzzle threading, if anyone is collecting datapoints. Edited March 29, 2009 by Spktyr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILLIEVEE 15 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 still waiting on ajax. about 5 weeks now i think. Same here. Thinking about canceling the order and looking elsewhere.... I just did this week! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 still waiting on ajax. about 5 weeks now i think. Same here. Thinking about canceling the order and looking elsewhere.... I just did this week! Got the ProMags from Ajax yesterday. The look sturdier compared to my AGP, and hand cycled 2 3/4" shells with no problems. Will be a while before I get to use them in the gun, but overall I am happy with the workmanship at this stage... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snoofer 138 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Doe's anyone know if these are good or not? I just bought 2 and may purchase some more. I just bought my gun today...so I am a true newbie!! i finally got the 2 i ordered from ajaxgrips a while back the other day (29 bucks a piece). it took just a few minutes to fit them and then i put 100rds though them with no problems at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
veprk 12 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Hand cycled three time's on one of mine and always get a hangup somewhere!Not to happy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannyfantasy2000 68 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I've got one Promag. It requires a smack on the bottom after every round to feed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snoofer 138 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Hand cycled three time's on one of mine and always get a hangup somewhere!Not to happy try firing em, it's more fun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I believe Gen 2 of the Promag is out now. Ajax has them IN STOCK for $29.95 right now. Ordered 2 more early this week and got them today. I had spoken to a Ajax customer service rep last month while waiting on my original order, and they informed me they were waiting on the factory to finish making an entire new batch. The fit and finish on these I have are every bit as good as my AGP Gen 2, and they are made of a harder polymer than the AGP also. They fit tighter in the gun than any other mag I have, including the factory 5, and no slop or wobble at all.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot12 11 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I believe Gen 2 of the Promag is out now. Ajax has them IN STOCK for $29.95 right now. Ordered 2 more early this week and got them today. I had spoken to a Ajax customer service rep last month while waiting on my original order, and they informed me they were waiting on the factory to finish making an entire new batch. The fit and finish on these I have are every bit as good as my AGP Gen 2, and they are made of a harder polymer than the AGP also. They fit tighter in the gun than any other mag I have, including the factory 5, and no slop or wobble at all.... Could you send the link to ajax? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 http://www.ajaxgrips.com/ajax/Saiga Customer service for me was friendly enough, but they were back ordered to hell and i had to wait (well)over a month to get my mags. I still havn't shot any of the 3 i got. They require more fitting than the taiwan 5 rnd mags. not to snap in mind you(fit to the gun) but drag on the inside was bad(for the rounds i'm trying to shoot). I kindof like how the AGPs could be taken apart to be cleaned up on the inside, made getting those tight spots a lot easier to get to. I can say however that my follower dosn't seem to need the cork trick. And they do look nice. but at this point i don't believe i would recomend them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I believe Gen 2 of the Promag is out now. Ajax has them IN STOCK for $29.95 right now. Ordered 2 more early this week and got them today. I had spoken to a Ajax customer service rep last month while waiting on my original order, and they informed me they were waiting on the factory to finish making an entire new batch. The fit and finish on these I have are every bit as good as my AGP Gen 2, and they are made of a harder polymer than the AGP also. They fit tighter in the gun than any other mag I have, including the factory 5, and no slop or wobble at all.... Could you send the link to ajax? Here you go: Ajax Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yukon42 0 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I find reading about these magazine problems most interesting. Picked up my S12 a few days ago, but have yet to test it out. Figure using double ought and some slugs to break it in with the stock mag. Then I'll determine which mag to purchase. I must say that I like the price of the pro mag from AJAX even if a bit of fitting has to be done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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