DizzyV6P 0 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Any advice? Pros/Cons? Yeah, I know its a Saiga-12 forum, but I need some convincing in my mind due to my tightened budget. $575 (Saiga-12) vs. $300(Express HD). Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Saiga will cycle faster, you can load up and change out mags with whatever you want without having to remove all the shells in the tube, Saigas make people's jaws drop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 +1 to what TR said Take it from someone who went down that road. Many more possibilities with the Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DizzyV6P 0 Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20?Thanks! Only if you can get your hands on a Russian 8 rounder. Other than that, you will need to convert to use the "high-cap" mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loki 0 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20?Thanks! Only if you can get your hands on a Russian 8 rounder. Other than that, you will need to convert to use the "high-cap" mags. Could you please tell us why Thought that only the wraithmaker required mods to the gun to function. Edited February 2, 2009 by Loki Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20?Thanks! Only if you can get your hands on a Russian 8 rounder. Other than that, you will need to convert to use the "high-cap" mags. Could you please tell us why Thought that only the wraithmaker required mods to the gun to function. It is not a matter of function. It is a matter of Law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20?Thanks! Only if you can get your hands on a Russian 8 rounder. Other than that, you will need to convert to use the "high-cap" mags. Could you please tell us why Thought that only the wraithmaker required mods to the gun to function. You are probably fine, since you are in Iceland and more than likely, you don't have bullshit legislation like we do here in the States. Here in the States, we have to comply with some idiotic laws that state if we want to plug "high-cap" mags or add a pistol grip to our imported guns, we have to play this fun, little game where we have to swap out a certain number of imported parts with U.S. made parts. Edited February 2, 2009 by TR Young Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20?Thanks! Only if you can get your hands on a Russian 8 rounder. Other than that, you will need to convert to use the "high-cap" mags. Could you please tell us why Thought that only the wraithmaker required mods to the gun to function. You are probably fine, since you are in Iceland and more than likely, you don't have bullshit legislation like we do here in the States. Didn't notice the Iceland location. my eyes are failing me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loki 0 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks. I may go the unconverted route for now. Can an unconverted take more then 5 shell mags like the 10 or 20?Thanks! Only if you can get your hands on a Russian 8 rounder. Other than that, you will need to convert to use the "high-cap" mags. Could you please tell us why Thought that only the wraithmaker required mods to the gun to function. You are probably fine, since you are in Iceland and more than likely, you don't have bullshit legislation like we do here in the States. Here in the States, we have to comply with some idiotic laws that state if we want to plug "high-cap" mags or add a pistol grip to our imported guns, we have to play this fun, little game where we have to swap out a certain number of imported parts with U.S. made parts. Very weird laws Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Very weird laws You got that right! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rodm1 2 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Any advice? Pros/Cons? Yeah, I know its a Saiga-12 forum, but I need some convincing in my mind due to my tightened budget. $575 (Saiga-12) vs. $300(Express HD).Thanks! If you go with an 870 you wont the police model. Much better gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadMax 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I've got both. As well as a nice 1878 double barrel. If I could only keep one I would keep the Saiga without a second thought nor a single regret. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motopolitico 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Okay, next question guys, Ditka or a Hurricane?.... But the name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Okay, next question guys, Ditka or a Hurricane?.... But the name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka! ........wha??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stever 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 If you're on a tight budget, the 870 is a good HD firearm and will do the job. I am fortunate enough to have a Saiga and a pump-gun (Winchester 1300) on either side of the bed. In a HD situation I would feel adequately armed with either...it just depends on which one wifey grabs first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volfandan 1 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have a Saiga that my gunsmith is converting as I type. It is quickly becoming one of my favorites! After using my Para P-14 for years as a HD weapon, I finally bought this: It is an old High Standard K-120 Riot. It is my understanding that this was the first shotgun to be offered from the factory with a full length mag tube. They are smooth as silk, and I picked it up for $180. I now kinda figure that I want something with a light on it, so I've been looking at either a Mossy 590 or a Norinco 981.....which is an 870 clone. The 981's are relatively cheap, and seem well made from all the reports I've heard. Surefire forend with light and I'll be good to go. So, I guess even though I love my Saiga, I'd opt for a pump gun for general HD. Now if Zombies or Aliens are invading my home.....well, that's a different story! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DizzyV6P 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thanks for the responses. I may just go w/ the $770 nobama deal special then. Maybe have ramen noodles for lunch for a few weeks. I know that the moment I buy an 870, i'll still want the Saiga-12.....so I might as well go for the Saiga-12. Thanks for all the responses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volfandan 1 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thanks for the responses. I may just go w/ the $770 nobama deal special then. Maybe have ramen noodles for lunch for a few weeks. I know that the moment I buy an 870, i'll still want the Saiga-12.....so I might as well go for the Saiga-12. Thanks for all the responses. You've actually got the right idea. In just comparing a Saiga 12 and an 870 or other solid pumpgun for HD, I do like a pump. However, definitley get a Saiga while you can! Don't know the future, but Saiga's may still be around in a few years.......likely, 870's aren't going anywhere. So, you can always pick up a pump later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 And when you boil it all down.... the Saiga is a freakin' BLAST to blaze with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
btr 15 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Under USA regs, anything higher than 5 rounds in the magazine is unsporting, and therefore banned on imported shotguns. In the USA, an 8 round russian magazine is banned in a gun without adding other US parts to it (such as doing a conversion, and adding a USA Pistol grip, buttstock, and fire control group. So, in the USA, a russian 8 rounder in a stock Saiga is not allowed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 .....So, in the USA, a russian 8 rounder in a stock Saiga is not allowed. I didn't realize that. Could you provide a link that will take us to where you found that info? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snoofer 138 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Okay, next question guys, Ditka or a Hurricane?.... But the name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka! ditka Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WHITE 3 GOLF 2 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I'll have to agree with the purchase of a Saiga over the 870. Even though it's a wonderful shotty the Saiga 12 ROCKS!!!! :super: Oh yeah, Ditka. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
btr 15 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 .....So, in the USA, a russian 8 rounder in a stock Saiga is not allowed. I didn't realize that. Could you provide a link that will take us to where you found that info? I've looked, and I can't dig it up on the ATF site. I can't remember exactly where I found it. Sorry... The limit is 5 rounds in the magazine, anything else is "unsporting"- that's why RAAC and EAA didn't import the 8 rounders for anyone to buy, because if they did the shotgun would be unimportable. If anyone else knows a link, I would like to see it again also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motopolitico 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 ditka DA Bearss Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Don't know the future, but Saiga's may still be around in a few years.......likely, 870's aren't going anywhere. So, you can always pick up a pump later. What everyone else said, and a big ! for what volfandan said. If it comes down to some sort of ban, obviously the Saiga more ban-worthy. So get one while you can. I was very close to dropping money on an 870, and decided against it, and ordered an S12 instead. I still may get an 870 down the road, but I'm far less worried about it being banned in the future. As opposed to a semi-auto, magazine fed, 12ga shotgun, built on an AK receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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