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Shot my S12 yesterday for the first time and I can say there were not any issues with the gun feeding etc. everything except the lowest 3.1/4 dram 7.1/2 bird shot I had laying around. Setting was on 1 all day. I did not have enough of the low powered shells to test any difference if setting 2 was used. I think though it would not have been a challenge based on how the jam occurred.

 

So I can say 3 holes gas ports should not be a problem, for my S12 at least.

 

My brother shot his without any issues and he used some old low powered birdshot. His S12 has 3 ports and he only used his 5 round mag, while I used a couple of 12 round Surefires.

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I would PM or Email CGW they probable have the best information on this since they are fixing them. Do you have one or just looking?

 

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...erial&st=60

 

This should get you close:

H08430xxx min is over H08432xxx I think

 

This explains why mine fails to eject. My new Saiga is in that range, and it just isn't a semi-auto any way you look at it... There are 2 tiny, poorly aligned holes, but it won't eject anything yet. Tomorrow, I'll try some high brass.... "Vodka Special"...Where'd that phrase come from?

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The problem guns, or "vodka specials" are not specfically in any serial number range, although its AROUND the numbers that have been posted, but are actually all out of one particular "crate" so to speak.

 

Toss 100 rounds of high brass down your new gun if you have FTE problems, and also toss in some 3" on gas setting 1, as well before you decide that the gun needs a "reliability service" aka - warranty repair.

 

If you think you need a warranty repair done to your gun, you should contact us here at Cadiz Gun Works, as we have the RAAC warranty contract. Any warranty done is free of charge to you, and goes from your door, to ours, and then back to your door. As the firearm is not transferred but is under gunsmithing warranty, there is no 4473 involved, and yes, this is how its done by the letter of the law.

 

We will be getting the warranty service information out into public view more prolifically soon.

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This past weekend i was finaly able to take my S12 out for a real test.

Its a 3 holer...

I cleaned and oiled her up.

Using 2 Surefire 12rd mags ( factory mag wont lock in)

I put 20 rounds of 00 LE buck thur ... no probs

Then i put 100 rds of the walmart federal bulk thru it. At times i was firing as fast i could.

I had exacly 1 stove pipe.

 

I think i can now convert it with a clear mind and no fear that

I'd have to return the weapon for service.

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i have a 3 hole pattern, have not shot it yet. Going to do so now. I have gunfixers plug on the way, the hole pattern seems to be very uneven. While looking at the 3 holes, the one one the left side is halfway covered leading "under the gun" if that makes sense. The whole set up is shifted to the left. Does that seem right to you?

 

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Here where you see that black edit mark, is where my 3rd hole resides. Its partly covered by the outside larger cut hole. it looks like the barrel itself was turned just a little too far..make sense? any help ? Does it need warrenty work? Serial # H08436XXX Certified on 10-21-08

 

THanks a bunch

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I pick up mine tomorrow. I'm sweating like a whore in church now..

 

Will post serial # and hole count asap.

 

 

 

ETA: 3 hole(2 1/2 really) #H0843845*

 

Just picked it up today and havent fired it yet. We shall see...

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i have a 3 hole pattern, have not shot it yet. Going to do so now. I have gunfixers plug on the way, the hole pattern seems to be very uneven. While looking at the 3 holes, the one one the left side is halfway covered leading "under the gun" if that makes sense. The whole set up is shifted to the left. Does that seem right to you?

 

 

Look at the pics i posted...

From that same angle, i can only see 1 of my ports. The other 2 ports, from that angle are obscured by the block. but usign a small flex flash light,put that int the gastube, right over the ports and lookign down the barell, i can see 3 unblocked holes. Thats the important part of all this.

I think your right that it seems as if your barrol just needs a bit more turn to be perfect, but If you have the unobstructed holes then the gas will get in and cycle your next round.

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So I have an S12 with 2 holes from what 1 can tell. Can't see any holes from the top but looking down the barrel I'm pretty sure I see two. I'm assuming that they are almost completely covered since I can't see any looking in from the top and I put 100 rounds of the federal bulk pack from Wal-Mart through it today and it only cycled about 10 out of the 100 on gas setting 2 with all the rest FTE. I bough this gun converted so I guess that I can't send it in for warranty work. What should I do?

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So I have an S12 with 2 holes from what 1 can tell. Can't see any holes from the top but looking down the barrel I'm pretty sure I see two. I'm assuming that they are almost completely covered since I can't see any looking in from the top and I put 100 rounds of the federal bulk pack from Wal-Mart through it today and it only cycled about 10 out of the 100 on gas setting 2 with all the rest FTE. I bough this gun converted so I guess that I can't send it in for warranty work. What should I do?

Man that sucks to hear...

 

Either pony up the bills to have the work done, or you can try removing the gas block, and enlarging the hole to unobstruct the gas ports.

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I have a 2 hole vodka special, but it works just fine. My holes are not covered and look bigger in diameter than the 3 / 4 holers!! I shot 00 buck all weekend long and just had problems with my pro mag 10 rounders, which I fixed using the post " how to fit your pro mag magazines! " I did polish the bolt and followed the instructions listed as to what to polish and cut, which I feel helped out greatly!! My gun rocks!!

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Just wanted to add to this

I have a 24" saiga 12 SN#H084424xx MADE on10/24/08 and it has two (2) holes they are both visible from the inside of the barrel and from the gas tube.

I sure hope mine cycles ok. I wish I knew to look for this when I was buying mine...

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I just like to share my experience with my first Saiga 12, I got mine from a local dealer Saturday (dont know what the serial was ect), took it straight from the dealer to my buddies house right down the street and loaded her up, (2 3/4 bird shot) 1st shot **bang** click (jam) wtf!!, unjammed, **bang** click (jam) wtf!!, manually unloaded mag, loaded with high brass, **bang** click WTF!!!, adjusted notch from 1 to 2, bang, click jam back to position 2, bank click jam. OMFG $630.00, took it back to the SAIGA 12 "specialist" at the gun dealer, "mmmmph" theres no port holes in it." Took 2 more out of the back, same thing!! Oh well, he is supposed to have overnighted another batch be here today (mon) or tomorrow. Thanks for letting me gripe. I will update this weekend.

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I just like to share my experience with my first Saiga 12, I got mine from a local dealer Saturday (dont know what the serial was ect), took it straight from the dealer to my buddies house right down the street and loaded her up, (2 3/4 bird shot) 1st shot **bang** click (jam) wtf!!, unjammed, **bang** click (jam) wtf!!, manually unloaded mag, loaded with high brass, **bang** click WTF!!!, adjusted notch from 1 to 2, bang, click jam back to position 2, bank click jam. OMFG $630.00, took it back to the SAIGA 12 "specialist" at the gun dealer, "mmmmph" theres no port holes in it." Took 2 more out of the back, same thing!! Oh well, he is supposed to have overnighted another batch be here today (mon) or tomorrow. Thanks for letting me gripe. I will update this weekend.

 

ANy idea of the SN's for the No Port guns?

 

I have a 3 port 19". I tested 50 2 3/4 slugs and had 3 FtF's. I polished the bolt hoping this will help. Also, when I cleaned it after firing, there were all kinds of metal bits in the gas tube, and the "hockey puck" was FILTHY and was stuck pretty damn good insider the gas port.

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I just like to share my experience with my first Saiga 12, I got mine from a local dealer Saturday (dont know what the serial was ect), took it straight from the dealer to my buddies house right down the street and loaded her up, (2 3/4 bird shot) 1st shot **bang** click (jam) wtf!!, unjammed, **bang** click (jam) wtf!!, manually unloaded mag, loaded with high brass, **bang** click WTF!!!, adjusted notch from 1 to 2, bang, click jam back to position 2, bank click jam. OMFG $630.00, took it back to the SAIGA 12 "specialist" at the gun dealer, "mmmmph" theres no port holes in it." Took 2 more out of the back, same thing!! Oh well, he is supposed to have overnighted another batch be here today (mon) or tomorrow. Thanks for letting me gripe. I will update this weekend.

 

ANy idea of the SN's for the No Port guns?

 

I have a 3 port 19". I tested 50 2 3/4 slugs and had 3 FtF's. I polished the bolt hoping this will help. Also, when I cleaned it after firing, there were all kinds of metal bits in the gas tube, and the "hockey puck" was FILTHY and was stuck pretty damn good insider the gas port.

 

I had metal shavings or something that looked like it in my gas port too. Anyone have any idea for the reason behind this?

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The problem guns are not in any specific serial # range.

 

If you check your gun's box, you will see a number XXX/XXX or XX/XXX

 

The second number, is MOSTLY (not solely) where the "range" is for problem guns. Right now, we are seeing XXX/500 and XXX/329 as well as a small number of XXX/338 guns as having problems.

 

Keep in mind, that just because your gun may be out of these lots, that that doesnt mean that it is a problem child.

 

If you guys want to post numbers, this is the one that would be most helpful to everyone....NOT the serial #...

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The problem guns are not in any specific serial # range.

 

If you check your gun's box, you will see a number XXX/XXX or XX/XXX

 

The second number, is MOSTLY (not solely) where the "range" is for problem guns. Right now, we are seeing XXX/500 and XXX/329 as well as a small number of XXX/338 guns as having problems.

 

Keep in mind, that just because your gun may be out of these lots, that that doesnt mean that it is a problem child.

 

If you guys want to post numbers, this is the one that would be most helpful to everyone....NOT the serial #...

Mine is 152/329. No problems. 3 holes all visible.

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My 4 holer is 36/335, but I got it as an Obama Special from CGW, so I'm not sure if it always had 4 holes (diamond patern) or if it had less and they drilled more before shipping it to me. I see that the front of the gas block hole is squared out, as if the front hole may have been blocked, but CGW may have opened the hole up to allow gas through.

 

 

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Greetings.

 

Got my S12 last week and have been slowly going down the checklist. I have 5 Pro Mags so first I fitted them and fixed the followers. The next item on the list was to check the gas ports. I have determined that I have a 2 hole gun. The holes are both unobstructed though they are slightly off center. I was able to push a paperclip through each one. 126/500

 

I have not fired it yet so I guess we'll see...

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you should be fine, with the conditions you describe, knave, on everything but the cheapest 1oz birdshot loads.

 

suggest federal 1 1/8oz for your trial fire, or stouter.

 

If you have any problems, switch to ONLY factory 5 round mag that came with your gun, and be sure you are on gas setting "2".

 

The correct gas setting "2" is when your gas plug is screwed all the way in, and backed out to set to "1" and THEN you crank it out once more to the next setting "2". If your plug seats fully on setting "2" back it out one complete turn before considering that your gun has a problem. I did catch one gun this week that this was the issue with. "2" is NOT supposed to be threaded totally into your gun's gas block. DO NOT unscrew your plug if you have cycling problems, to 3 or 4 turns out, however, as this may damage your gun.

 

capiche?

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Thanks for that info Bvamp.

Mine has been screwed in all the way to just past #2, then backed up slightly TO #2. I'll try it the correct way and see how she does. I suspect this is why it used to handle #8 shot Wally World stuff, but now doesn't like it. COOL!

 

 

Corbin

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So did we establish if the "Vodka Specials" have three small holes, two holes (like mine), seven holes, holes that spell HOPE or CHANGE? It seemed a little vague to me. I personally am looking at having a VS as a good thing... I got one with a "Russian military" barrel! Not everyone can say that! :haha:

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