imarangemaster 315 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Since I opted to use the Saiga hammer in my pistol grip conversion, I decided to keep the BHO intact. Of course I had to trim it. It was too long, and in the wrong place. At first, I just trimmed it almost straight across by3/16 or something like that. It still interfered a bit, so I trimmed off the front corner, flush with the bottom of the receiver, angled down to the original trimmed length. It works great! I do not feel it at all with the trigger finger with it not engaged. When depressed and engaging the bolt, the rear corner is flush with the bottom of the receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Nice work, although I wouldn't have trimmed it quite that much. I guess that's the one good thing about being left-handed. Although my right thumb might disagree since it's missing a huge chunk of skin where I accidentally got it in the way of the bolt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
takezo 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) Ohhhh! That's how this BHO thing works! Thank you for posting the photos. I was wondering how this functioned. My Saiga does not have one. And frankly I had never seen one before. So you can push up the metal tab and jack the bolt back... and it stays? Or it comes into play when the last round is fired and holds the bolt back? Which theory is correct? Wow, you learn something everyday here. FRT Edited February 25, 2009 by fiveringstakezo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Ohhhh! That's how this BHO thing works! Thank you for posting the photos. I was wondering how this functioned. My Saiga does not have one. And frankly I had never seen one before. So you can push up the metal tab and jack the bolt back... and it stays? Or it comes into play when the last round is fired and holds the bolt back? Which theory is correct? Wow, you learn something everyday here. FRT You manually pull the bolt back, push up on the BHO tab, and it will hold it open. To release it, give the bolt a slight pull back and let it fly. I didn't put mine back in when I converted my x39, but I'm definitely putting it back in when converting my S12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mzmtg 0 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I trimmed & painted mine: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevins7189 1 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 (edited) Sorry to be a newbie, but I didn't realize you could use the factory hammer? Is there a pic/tutorial of what to change on it to make it work. I did a search for "saiga hammer" and didn't come up with anything useful. thanks! Edited March 10, 2009 by kevins7189 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 You can't normally reuse the factory hammer. I was warned not to, as it's not compatible with some of the conversion parts. It can cause your gun to go full auto, which can get you thrown in jail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dftc 0 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 (edited) ...It can cause your gun to go full auto, which can get you thrown in jail. I know this is taking this thread slightly off topic, but why does everyone think that if your gun accidentally goes full auto you will go to jail? I see this all over the place on gun forums when people are talking about broken disconnector springs and snapped trigger hooks. Has someone gone to jail because of an accidental mechanical problem with their rifle? One of the basic requirements for a most criminal convictions is that there must be a physical act (in this case owning a gun that goes full auto) and intent to commit that act. If there is no provable intent then there is no crime. This is a very basic US legal concept known as "mens rea", which is latin for "guilty mind". Of course, if you do something to your gun that you should have known might make it go full auto and then it does, you will have a hard time convincing a jury that you didn't have any intent to make it go full auto. Taking a file to a disconnector would be a good example. Or leaving that factory hammer in place after being warned that it might malfunction with after-market parts. Edited March 10, 2009 by dftc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snake54 0 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 ...It can cause your gun to go full auto, which can get you thrown in jail. I know this is taking this thread slightly off topic, but why does everyone think that if your gun accidentally goes full auto you will go to jail? I see this all over the place on gun forums when people are talking about broken disconnector springs and snapped trigger hooks. Has someone gone to jail because of an accidental mechanical problem with their rifle? One of the basic requirements for a most criminal convictions is that there must be a physical act (in this case owning a gun that goes full auto) and intent to commit that act. If there is no provable intent then there is no crime. This is a very basic US legal concept known as "mens rea", which is latin for "guilty mind". Of course, if you do something to your gun that you should have known might make it go full auto and then it does, you will have a hard time convincing a jury that you didn't have any intent to make it go full auto. Taking a file to a disconnector would be a good example. Or leaving that factory hammer in place after being warned that it might malfunction with after-market parts. Ask David Olofson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 ATF don't play by the rules. Don't give them anything to play with and you won't have to worry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 ...It can cause your gun to go full auto, which can get you thrown in jail. I know this is taking this thread slightly off topic, but why does everyone think that if your gun accidentally goes full auto you will go to jail? I see this all over the place on gun forums when people are talking about broken disconnector springs and snapped trigger hooks. Has someone gone to jail because of an accidental mechanical problem with their rifle? One of the basic requirements for a most criminal convictions is that there must be a physical act (in this case owning a gun that goes full auto) and intent to commit that act. If there is no provable intent then there is no crime. This is a very basic US legal concept known as "mens rea", which is latin for "guilty mind". Of course, if you do something to your gun that you should have known might make it go full auto and then it does, you will have a hard time convincing a jury that you didn't have any intent to make it go full auto. Taking a file to a disconnector would be a good example. Or leaving that factory hammer in place after being warned that it might malfunction with after-market parts. Ask David Olofson Pfffft. That guy knew exactly what happened. It was no "oops, what happened?". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mzmtg 0 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sorry to be a newbie, but I didn't realize you could use the factory hammer? I didn't use the factory hammer. I modified the Tapco hammer to accommodate the BHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) The ATF is known to lie, engage in thuggery, and actually alter evidence (seized weapons) in order to get what they want. They had to handload custom ammo to get that guy's malfunctioning AR-15 to go full auto. It was slam firing and would only do it with very light primers. If any other police agency tampered with evidence like that, the case would be thrown out. The ATF makes up new laws as they go, and operates outside established laws. You don't want to mess with them. Normal laws don't apply to the ATF. Get that through your heads and don't forget it. If the ATF turns against you, you're going up river. Edited March 18, 2009 by Mike the Wolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gothchick 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) FWIW ATF FTMFW LOL. Edited March 19, 2009 by gothchick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 i havent gotten all the parts in yet to do my conversion. I did alter the BHO though. I added finger grooves with my dremel. Makes it grab your finger tip back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mzmtg 0 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 i havent gotten all the parts in yet to do my conversion. I did alter the BHO though. I added finger grooves with my dremel. Makes it grab your finger tip back. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/338338...1b08e9976_o.jpg That will be painful after you do the PG conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGlobule 1 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 You can't normally reuse the factory hammer. I was warned not to, as it's not compatible with some of the conversion parts. It can cause your gun to go full auto, which can get you thrown in jail. Are you sure of this? I used the factory hammer in a S-12 conversion with a Tapco disconnector and trigger and I don't see how it could go full auto... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottr207 0 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Not to drift the thread, again but newb question is there a way to get the bolt to lock open on the empty magazine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 The BHO does not engage after the last round. strictly a manually operated one. I suppose you could cut the back end of the bump on the follower like a GI M2 carbine mag. It would close though when you took out the mag. As for using the factory hammer. On my 223, I re-used the factory hammer because it is USUALLY compatible with the K-Var trigger and diconnector. On my 7.62x39 I got the Tapco G2 single hook trigger, disconnector, and hammer for $29! Awesome trigger pull. About 2 lbs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 That will be painful after you do the PG conversion. If it seems out of place afterwards, i can always trim it more. love my dremel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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