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Read the article carefully. Holder seems to be indicating the only motivation to ban assault weapons (i.e. hunting rifles with tactical furniture, bayonettes that are so often used in gang related killings, etc...) is to cut down on violence in MEXICO.

 

These people are nuts, essentially going after non-existant problems. I'm not going to quote statistics, but how many times do you see these particular features of AWs actually facilitate the committing of a crime? And cop killer bullets? Last time I checked, bullets killed indiscriminately.

 

There are a lot of logical ways to argue against an AWB, but in trying to argue in favor of it, you end up grasping at straws, and finally end up claiming it will benefit Mexico.

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I heard Obama's mouthpiece popping off today and drove to my local gunshop and purchased the last Saiga-12 they had. Paid $600.00 frogbacks for it. I had hoped the democrats had learned their lesson about trying to dictate to this democracy their communist beliefs concerning firearms. If they push this gun ban then the only good thing thats going to happen is Obama and his administration's asses will hit the sidewalk in a little over 4 years...sooner for house and senate democrats.

 

Gun battles in Mexico...how in the hell is limiting firearms in America going to stop idiot mexican drug gangs from killing each other. As if America is the only country that produces semi-automatic firearms and hi-cap magazines. What manner of convoluted thinking is that? I say let them kill each other. I'm real sure the mexican criminals crossing over into America will leave their assault weapons behind when traveling into our country to commit crimes.

 

I would say Obama is dumber than a box of rocks if I wasn't so loath to insult the intelligence of the rocks!

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I heard Obama's mouthpiece popping off today and drove to my local gunshop and purchased the last Saiga-12 they had. Paid $600.00 frogbacks for it. I had hoped the democrats had learned their lesson about trying to dictate to this democracy their communist beliefs concerning firearms. If they push this gun ban then the only good thing thats going to happen is Obama and his administration's asses will hit the sidewalk in a little over 4 years...sooner for house and senate democrats.

 

Gun battles in Mexico...how in the hell is limiting firearms in America going to stop idiot mexican drug gangs from killing each other. As if America is the only country that produces semi-automatic firearms and hi-cap magazines. What manner of convoluted thinking is that? I say let them kill each other. I'm real sure the mexican criminals crossing over into America will leave their assault weapons behind when traveling into our country to commit crimes.

 

I would say Obama is dumber than a box of rocks if I wasn't so loath to insult the intelligence of the rocks!

 

 

I just want to know what gun stor they're shopping at. I can't buy grenedes, bazookas, or fully automatic rifles at mine!

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I heard Obama's mouthpiece popping off today and drove to my local gunshop and purchased the last Saiga-12 they had. Paid $600.00 frogbacks for it. I had hoped the democrats had learned their lesson about trying to dictate to this democracy their communist beliefs concerning firearms. If they push this gun ban then the only good thing thats going to happen is Obama and his administration's asses will hit the sidewalk in a little over 4 years...sooner for house and senate democrats.

 

Gun battles in Mexico...how in the hell is limiting firearms in America going to stop idiot mexican drug gangs from killing each other. As if America is the only country that produces semi-automatic firearms and hi-cap magazines. What manner of convoluted thinking is that? I say let them kill each other. I'm real sure the mexican criminals crossing over into America will leave their assault weapons behind when traveling into our country to commit crimes.

 

I would say Obama is dumber than a box of rocks if I wasn't so loath to insult the intelligence of the rocks!

 

I haven't seen or heard the term "frogbacks" since I last read Iceberg Slim's "Pimp: The Story of my Life" +1 for kickass obscure slang. :D

 

Oh, and I get the feeling that Holder is catching all sorts of shit for saying what he did probably way before he was supposed to if at all. Just my guess.

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I believe you are right JanusthePhoenix. Holder is basically saying that I (an American) am going to be punished because of the actions of criminals in another country. I thought stuttering BBBBiden was the village idiot of the Obama administration but Holder looks to have thrown his hat in the ring. Holder may have opened his mouth too soon and tipped the hand of his boss and the other high ranking democrats.

 

Democrats talk about gun control but their true intention is gun elimination. I have no problem with gun control as it relates to gun possession by certain people. The mentally ill and those who have, by past criminal actions, proved themselves untrustworthy. And I don't think gernades and bazookas have a place outside of the military. But if I want to put a 50 round clip in my 10/22 and shoot the hell out of a couple of pop cans the democrats want to throw me in jail. Screw them.

 

If a law abiding citizen has has 15 rounds in their firearm instead of 10 then the only person who has to be worried about the 5 extra rounds are the criminals.

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Last time I checked there were not many "assault weapons" for sale in America, at least my part of it,,,,,, EVERYPLACE IS SOLD OUT AND BACKORDERED!!

Those are semi automatic rifles, stop calling them assault weapons. Assault weapons have a burst or full auto firing mode. And a 30 round AR-15 or AK magazine is not high capacity, it is standard capacity. The 40 round mags are high capacity. Lets all get this straight, it only gives them ammo to use against us.

 

Incendiary heat seeking ammo that cooks deer and goes up...

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The bills through congress will not even be discussed in the main stream media. The majority of Americans will not even know there will be a vote. (it will be done in the darkness of night) There will be NO outrage because no one will know about it other than the people like us that are engaged and enlightened.

 

You are bull shitting your self if you think these people (liberal leftests) are not going to bring this up for a vote. They have been waiting since Jimmy Carter to do this.

 

We don't have the popular support against 2nd amendment assults like we did in the 90's with Clinton. Everything going on today is a Socialist Leftist takeover and gun ban's and gun control is a major pillar. They do need to control the masses and can not let us own guns.

 

One last thought, they may be using the international approch to avoid having to go through Congress! This might be a back door route that allows them to use old treaties or possibly U.N. The more I think about the way this has been done with Nancy P (the smirk) claiming not wanting to face gun control (gives them a pass) and with the internatonal aspect, it may be a state department move.

 

I hate to tell you but this could be very, very bad! We could be FUBAR!

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I have been thinking about this. Ill sum my thoughts up very briefly -

 

 

These illegals took out money back to mexico tax-free and completely fucked up the construction industry for one. Now the drug cartels in mexico are getting all these guns that were leftover from all the little wars south of our border and trying to invoke a civil war in mexico. Now american government not only wants to send them tons of money, instead of saying "hrm this is alerady spreading across our border, lets spend that money on securing it, let mexico use all the tax free dineros thier citizens have brought home with them as thier US donation.

 

and the BEST part - wait, wait, i KNOW i didnt hear this right - someone PLEASE TELL ME THAT I HEARD THIS NEXT FUCKING PART THE FUCK RIGHT FROM THIS MOTHERFUCKER

 

BECAUSE SOME FOREIGN BORDER COUTRY IS HAVING A NEAR CIVIL WAR - MY GODDAMNED GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO FUCK WITH MY CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS ON THEIR BEHALF??? UH - ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS?

 

 

uhmmmmm WHAT?

 

 

the guns are coming FROM south of the border, NOT going the other way, and if they ARE, laws are ALREADY being broken.

 

And they want to take my rights away or limit them because of a FOREIGN COUNTRY's PROBLEMS?

 

If this isnt a traitorous act, then Im reasonably certain that its fucking illegal.

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Last time I checked there were not many "assault weapons" for sale in America, at least my part of it,,,,,, EVERYPLACE IS SOLD OUT AND BACKORDERED!!

Those are semi automatic rifles, stop calling them assault weapons. Assault weapons have a burst or full auto firing mode. And a 30 round AR-15 or AK magazine is not high capacity, it is standard capacity. The 40 round mags are high capacity. Lets all get this straight, it only gives them ammo to use against us.

 

Incendiary heat seeking ammo that cooks deer and goes up...

 

That was the purpose of the "" around the term assault weapons

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I understood what you meant GreenEye. The pee pants Democrats classify a 22 rifle with a 20 round clip as a "assault rifle". I also understand the frustration of Twinsen. They will twist, demonize, and flat out lie to get their communist views on firearms imposed upon us. When will these idiots understand. The AWB didn't scale back crime. All it accomplished was imposing more government control over law abiding citizens. Criminals simply did not care then (1994) and they will not care now.

 

Griping on this forum is preaching to the choir...if this gun grab swings into full motion we now have more people involved in the internet world. Contacting our representives is faster and easier than it was back in the Clinton era. Politicians are whores and the thought of getting their asses thrown (voted) out of office is the only thing that will get them to pull their heads out of their asses and wipe the shit out of their eyes. I hope the NRA will structure some sort of internet based grass roots webpage where politicians can see some hard numbers of votes they will lose. A place where individuals can be counted and represented prior to any legislation being passed.

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This is some good shit, I thought we were buying all the guns in this country to get ready for the war between the people and the government, Is that not what a Socialist environment is all about. I dont know about the rest of you but my concentration is to semi-auto imports only. Before its all over, there will be no imports. The Izhmash factory is already looking into producing Saiga weapons in the US as Arsenal has. It is my understanding that the left wing assholes in Washington have been lifting all of the AR bans as well as import bans, without public knowledge. Call BATF and ask some questions, they will answer your questions. All this means is that when the semi auto weapon hammer hits the perverbial pavement, an all out ban of semi-auto weapons will be coming down the pike. This shit is all over the international news. Now in the fucking US. Obama has threatened the US New Media to not report this shit in the US. Sounds a bit larger than Socialist Government, lets starting looking into the direction of (Communist Republic of United States). This shit is getting really rediculous. This is the first time in the history of this country that the new media has been supressed by the government from broadcasting the truth. Sound Communist to you? I dont know about all of you but in 4 years I am voting for Arnold Schawarzinager for President. Hell you dont even have to be born in this country any more to be the president.

 

The revolt is coming, buy your weapons, stock pile your ammo, Your going to need it if this country keeps on going the direction it is going.

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Where we goin'? Like we didn't know already -

 

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. "

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

 

It's hidden under Urban Policy - Crime & Law Enforcement

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Yes,

The AW ban, the license and registration of firearms owners, the ammo serial number and registration, the ban of all imports (ammo and firearms), the ban on lead, the ban of firearm ownership with children, the heath care ban on smokeless power second hand smoke and the ban on firing weapons due to greenhouse effect.

 

All of this possible? Why how can that be? We have rights!

 

It starts with the first gun control law passing. It continues with the majority of the Senate (Al Fuken steals the election). The addition of a Justice in the Supreme Court (appeals over turned) Throw in an international crisis (they govern and gain power by crisis) Add the growth of hate groups (anyone who disagrees) Stir with the press who will do or say anything just to kiss the sleeve of the ruler (no one questions or investigations). Stiffen with wartime, military control of the people. And finally enslave the people with tax burdens and like a yoke (break the back of burdened common folk with Slavery Reparations).

Yes, this is Nazi Germany, Soviet Communist and Japanese blinding kingdom.

 

Do not underestimate the radical leftist; it should come as no surprise that Obama was a community organizer. This is his specialty, Do not ignore they all came from Illinois the one state with the most hard core anti gun views All gun owners must be registered and carry a license. It's in the nature of lefties

 

Man, I got to stop posting after listening to Beck and Savage on the radio, throw in a few Friday night brews! Step back! What do you expect! This is the end of one hell of a long winter in MN and we just had a blizzard yesterday and we get a little crazy, sometimes even shoot the Frig. I need to get out and shoot (its 1 below out as I type this) it sucks!

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soulless, If the United States Senate and House pass a law saying a Bow & Arrow is an assault weapon and Obama signs it into law then a Bow & Arrow setup is an assault weapon as defined by the wording of the legislation. Our elected representatives do not have to go by any dictionary or commonly held belief. They define the meaning of words within the laws they legislate and pass. They can outlaw anything they want. The only protection the American citizen has is, ultimately, the Supreme Court. However, the court is a political animal and past decisions can be redefined or simply ignored by the sitting Justices. If I remember the Heller case went our way by a 4-5 decision. The simple truth is the constitution is interpreted differently by different justices. Nothing is really guaranteed. The justices are always popping off about what the founding fathers really meant to say...like they are some special form of mind reader. Why don't they just take a good look at the laws that were in place around the time of the signing of the constitution...you know, like a amn could actually own a firearm and shoot it...but NO...that would not fit into the political direction they wish to take the United States. Or the justices start making up crap about how things have changed and that the founding fathers could not envision the changes. One thing our founding fathers knew too well. A citizen should not be muzzled by the Government (1st Admendment) and a citizen had a right to be armed (2nd Amendment). Its no accident these were placed 1 & 2.

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Last time I checked there were not many "assault weapons" for sale in America, at least my part of it,,,,,, EVERYPLACE IS SOLD OUT AND BACKORDERED!!

Those are semi automatic rifles, stop calling them assault weapons. Assault weapons have a burst or full auto firing mode. And a 30 round AR-15 or AK magazine is not high capacity, it is standard capacity. The 40 round mags are high capacity. Lets all get this straight, it only gives them ammo to use against us.

 

Incendiary heat seeking ammo that cooks deer and goes up...

 

That was the purpose of the "" around the term assault weapons

I didn't mean it be like a poke in the ribs, just saying.

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I heard Obama's mouthpiece popping off today and drove to my local gunshop and purchased the last Saiga-12 they had. Paid $600.00 frogbacks for it. I had hoped the democrats had learned their lesson about trying to dictate to this democracy their communist beliefs concerning firearms. If they push this gun ban then the only good thing thats going to happen is Obama and his administration's asses will hit the sidewalk in a little over 4 years...sooner for house and senate democrats.

 

Gun battles in Mexico...how in the hell is limiting firearms in America going to stop idiot mexican drug gangs from killing each other. As if America is the only country that produces semi-automatic firearms and hi-cap magazines. What manner of convoluted thinking is that? I say let them kill each other. I'm real sure the mexican criminals crossing over into America will leave their assault weapons behind when traveling into our country to commit crimes.

 

I would say Obama is dumber than a box of rocks if I wasn't so loath to insult the intelligence of the rocks!

 

 

+1 but actually we are a Republic not an Democracy and yes theres a difference.....Even in Obamas State speak he called us a Democracy and he should know better...

 

Obama is pushing to sign a treat with the UN which would reqiure major gun control and .7% of your GNP...Be very concern!

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You are correct cortayack. This issue gets me a little carried away and I type before I think things all the way through. We are a Republic. It even says so in the Pledge of Allegiance. And a damn good thing. Under a true democracy the minority party has little to no protections to combat the majority. Under a Republic form of Government the minority enjoys greater protections from absolute rule. Perhaps Obama's democracy comment was a freudian slip.

 

I ran across the United Nation comments somewhere else also. Perhaps this is a ploy by Democrats to try and insultate any future constricting gun laws from domestic lawmakers by locking them into International Treaties. Perhaps Obama and the Democrats are going to try and squash or recently established constitutional right to posess firearms along with giving .7% of our GNP to foreign countries. Blago was impeached for attempting to sell a Senate appointment. What is the punishment for giving away a percentage of our GNP and using the Constitutional Rights of Americans as bargaining chips with the United Nations? I truly hope there has been a misunderstanding concerning this deal with the United Nations.

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soulless, If the United States Senate and House pass a law saying a Bow & Arrow is an assault weapon and Obama signs it into law then a Bow & Arrow setup is an assault weapon as defined by the wording of the legislation. Our elected representatives do not have to go by any dictionary or commonly held belief. They define the meaning of words within the laws they legislate and pass. They can outlaw anything they want. The only protection the American citizen has is, ultimately, the Supreme Court. However, the court is a political animal and past decisions can be redefined or simply ignored by the sitting Justices. If I remember the Heller case went our way by a 4-5 decision. The simple truth is the constitution is interpreted differently by different justices. Nothing is really guaranteed. The justices are always popping off about what the founding fathers really meant to say...like they are some special form of mind reader. Why don't they just take a good look at the laws that were in place around the time of the signing of the constitution...you know, like a amn could actually own a firearm and shoot it...but NO...that would not fit into the political direction they wish to take the United States. Or the justices start making up crap about how things have changed and that the founding fathers could not envision the changes. One thing our founding fathers knew too well. A citizen should not be muzzled by the Government (1st Admendment) and a citizen had a right to be armed (2nd Amendment). Its no accident these were placed 1 & 2.

 

 

The FF left a major thing out. How about 'We said what we meant and we meant what we said. There's nothing left to interpretation.'

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