hugegator 0 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Hi, maybe one of you guys can help me out. I want a Saiga 12 conversion but the wife says one must go before another comes in. What I've got is a AMD 65 pistol built on an Ohio Ordnance Works MK 99 receiver with a Krinkov muzzle break and a Saiga hanguard that fits like a glove. I've got two Hungarian 20 round tanker mags to go with it. Best case scenario is a face to face trade somewhere in the Northwest. You really need to see and shoot this thing to appreciate the wall of fire it spits out. I'm in the Seattle area and would do a bit of driving if necessary. Thanks for looking! Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 DAMN, I wish i lived closer to ya... NY to Seattle is a bit too far for me, though... Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I said FTF prefered, not 100% absolute. Depends on who's asking I suppose. I'll consider any offer, just e-mail me. Link to post Share on other sites
wjm 0 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Are the trunions screwed or riveted? Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Everything is rivetted. Swell necks in the front trunnions as they should be too. It's super tight. The mags fit perfect and the receiver cover is just as snug as my Saiga's. Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 WOW.... makes me wish I hadnt just spent almost 2 grand on new saigas last weekend.... I surely would have been interested in THIS baby!!! Come on folks... YOU *NEED* one of these... help the poor man out in need of a Saiga 12!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 hey gator. give us a few specs. was it an 80% or 100% reciever that you built it up on? what is the overall weight unloaded? Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 This is an OOW MK 99 7.62x39 receiver build with a registered serial #. These come complete with the center support post, heated rails and axis pin holes. It has a single hook Hungarian FCG, a US made Krinkov break (I can swap this for a slant or standard AMD break if you'd like), a Saiga handguard, an 11 1/2" barrel, all rivet construction, refinished with Duplicolor High Heat ceramic engine enamel, weighs right around 8 pounds empty, takes every standard AK mag made, rear sling swivel on trunnion block, shot very little--approx. 250 rnds, strong rifling, hmmmmmm, Anything else? I'd also consider 20 gauge or 308 trades. Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 well, what I am getting at is this...what is the weight limit to be considered a pistol? isnt it way less than 8 pounds? Im a little bit concerned that you might not be aware of its possibility as being a SBR. Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 The weight limit issue was only in the 1994 AWB. By that definition the pistol would not be legal as it is over 50 ounces and has a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip. With the ending of the ban the restriction is no more. Further, as long as a legally defined pistol may be fired one handed, has no way to accept a buttstock and has no forward pistol grip it does not fall into the AOW category. The next consideration is, of course, sec. 922r that specifically only addresses rifles and shotguns. Pistols are not governed by this law, otherwise all imports of Glocks, CZ's, etc. would have been halted. At this time both Atlantic Arms and Joeken Firearms are producing and selling AK pistols and AR pistols are back on the market by different distributers/manufacturers as well. So until there is a new ban, to the best of everyone's knowledge, these are legal. There are a multitude of threads addressing the legalities of this topic on Gunsnet, Gunco, AKFiles and many others. Personally I researched this well as I don't feel like Club Fed would be a nice place to spend any amount of time in. The closest I ever want to come to that is maybe take the tour of Alcatraz someday. Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 cool. just for your info, they are SBR in NY state, and also fall into assault weapon category for NY state. wish I could buy the sucker off you. Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Bvamp, thanks for the heads up. I know NY, Cali, and MI, IIRC, all have more restrictive state laws on the books. Anyone that is interested please check local and state laws prior to contacting me to be on the safe side. We're looking at the same type of idiocy here in Wa state this year. 1st the Demorats steal the Governor's office, then they want to steal our guns and real estate. We'll fight it all the way though. Link to post Share on other sites
AC37 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 hugegator, just sent you a PM...I have a pistol grip converted Saiga .308 I'd be willing to trade for your AK pistol. Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 PM sent Link to post Share on other sites
AC37 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 PM back atcha. Link to post Share on other sites
PM2790 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hugegator- Democrats do not steal elections. Only the vast right wing conspiracy is capable of doing anything that evil. The Democrats simply ensure that all of the common downtrodden ditizens get to vote their conscience. TWICE!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
PM2790 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hugegator- What did you use for the rear trunnion and swivel? Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 It's an Uncle Mike's, IIRC, mounted through a 1/4" bolt that is on a piece of steel welded to the original trunnion. Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Trade pending. Thanks for the interest everyone! Link to post Share on other sites
smitty 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 If other deal falls through I live in WA state. PM sent. Link to post Share on other sites
Hutch 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 hey, i have a thought.....whats stopping someone from making an AK pistol, in almost the same way, but bullpuping it so you could brace your arm aginst the reciver with it out streched? Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Search for Pantera's work over at Gunco--he's also a member here. He built an awesome bullpup. Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hutch: Could the ATF not say that the gun has a stock and therefore is NOT a pistol but an illegal SBR? Link to post Share on other sites
hugegator 0 Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 IIRC, you do have to have a 16" barrel for the bullpup to be legal as it has a buttstock. Building one seems like a real PITA. Link to post Share on other sites
Hutch 0 Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 (edited) but it wouldnt be 922 complient like that "pistol" would be and it was simply a thought is all idle curiosity, i dont have the time or resorces to build such a thing lol Edited February 9, 2005 by Hutch Link to post Share on other sites
smitty 0 Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Hugegator, check your PM's Link to post Share on other sites
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