2450paul 12 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I was talking to Joe at King Armory today about a muzzle brake that would pin on a Saiga .308 barrel. We discussed one without a front sight base for those of us who will only shoot the rifle with a scope and another with a FSB silver soldered on the brake for those who want to keep the option of iron sights. What is your take on this? Thanks, Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreenEye 1 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Pinned on muzzle brakes are just a shortcut for people who can't/won't do it right and thread their muzzle. Not trying to offend, just stating my opinion (retail value=$.02). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobotech 3 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Sure, I would be interested. I would like to have a shortcut because I don't want to do it right and can't thread my muzzle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Pinned on muzzle brakes are just a shortcut for people who can't/won't do it right and thread their muzzle. Not trying to offend, just stating my opinion (retail value=$.02). What he's talking about is a brake that is drilled at the same locations as the FSB pins. Basically, the FSB would come out, the brake would go on, and the same pins would go back in the holes. We thread a LOT of barrels, and Saiga barrels are the biggest PITA to do without pulling the barrel. I am a purist about this stuff and would thread my own barrel, but I'm also a realist and know that a lot of folks wouldn't want to pay the 1-1.5 hrs of shop time needed to thread a barrel solely to install a brake on. Also just FYI, our pinned-on brakes hold tighter tolerances than a threaded one, with a zero fit there is near perfect concentricity. We thought long and hard about the options before designing our pin setup, it was a superior option compared to trying to thread barrels on a lathe or using a mickey-mouse die and guide setup which won't cut true enough for a close-tolerance brake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXasdf 29 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I am very interested in either or since threading is out of the option for me. I made a post a while back regarding this and I appreciate king armory doing a follow up. Still waiting intently and do you guys have an installation service for these brakes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VTX-1800 1 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Muzzle brake with front sight base. Count me in for two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I am very interested in either or since threading is out of the option for me. I made a post a while back regarding this and I appreciate king armory doing a follow up. Still waiting intently and do you guys have an installation service for these brakes? We will be doing a lot of barrel work and installations once the new shop is up and running. Hoping to have new machinery turning in the new facility in April 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXasdf 29 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I am very interested in either or since threading is out of the option for me. I made a post a while back regarding this and I appreciate king armory doing a follow up. Still waiting intently and do you guys have an installation service for these brakes? We will be doing a lot of barrel work and installations once the new shop is up and running. Hoping to have new machinery turning in the new facility in April I can wait until April or even later actually I'm in no rush. I'm still waiting for my FCG from Dinzag so my parts for my conversion should be ready around then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm sure that a replacement pin on would work. But I gotta go with threading the barrel! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Havoc308 3 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Count me in for two with front sights, although I would prefer a flash hider to a brake or simply some 24mm threads (or 5/8" x 24) ala Bulgarian FSB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Count me in for two with front sights, although I would prefer a flash hider to a brake or simply some 24mm threads (or 5/8" x 24) ala Bulgarian FSB. I'd rather see some pics of your avatar in the photo section! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phoglund 0 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I could use one of these. I could also use one for the 7.62X39 Saiga. Please post here if these become available! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2450paul 12 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Pinned on muzzle brakes are just a shortcut for people who can't/won't do it right and thread their muzzle. Not trying to offend, just stating my opinion (retail value=$.02). What he's talking about is a brake that is drilled at the same locations as the FSB pins. Basically, the FSB would come out, the brake would go on, and the same pins would go back in the holes. We thread a LOT of barrels, and Saiga barrels are the biggest PITA to do without pulling the barrel. I am a purist about this stuff and would thread my own barrel, but I'm also a realist and know that a lot of folks wouldn't want to pay the 1-1.5 hrs of shop time needed to thread a barrel solely to install a brake on. Also just FYI, our pinned-on brakes hold tighter tolerances than a threaded one, with a zero fit there is near perfect concentricity. We thought long and hard about the options before designing our pin setup, it was a superior option compared to trying to thread barrels on a lathe or using a mickey-mouse die and guide setup which won't cut true enough for a close-tolerance brake. Thanks for jumping in there King Armory! I guess I wasn't specific enough about it being pinned on using the same pin slots where the FSB was pinned on. Looks like this thread is still rockin! Thanks guys, Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 +1 I'll take 1 too,.. Muzzle brake with front sight base. Count me in for two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXasdf 29 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I could use one of these. I could also use one for the 7.62X39 Saiga. Please post here if these become available! I'm fairly certain that there are pinned on brakes for the 7.62X39 saiga available. I think DPH arms offer a clip on one also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ripach 0 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Depending on the look of the final product, I would be interested in one with a front sight block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deadduck357 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 If its a 74 type FSB with 24x1.5mm threads that pin into the already existing pin holes count me in for atleast one. I have bitched about this before, finally someone is getting it together. Just remove the factory and replace with an 74 type FSB is easier than the process of having to thread the barrel. Caus its not just threading the barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OBITUARY 12 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 If it comes with the front sight block i'd like to buy one.I already moved fsb back 1 pin but haven't crowned or threaded yet.please let us know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OBITUARY 12 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 on my 308 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fal_762x51 0 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I would love one with the sight block! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
capthowdy 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 If it is a unitized front sight block and flash hide/ muzzlebreak that pins on in the two factory holes, and looks factory. I would buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCMA-1 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd like one with the FSB! SCMA-1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Alright, we'll start doing some CAD work on it. We'll get some renderings up and get some feedback from y'all before we finalize anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deadduck357 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 This is very good to hear, cant wait to see it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
georged625 0 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I was talking to Joe at King Armory today about a muzzle brake that would pin on a Saiga .308 barrel. We discussed one without a front sight base for those of us who will only shoot the rifle with a scope and another with a FSB silver soldered on the brake for those who want to keep the option of iron sights. What is your take on this? Thanks, Paul Count me in for one with the FSB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXasdf 29 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Alright, we'll start doing some CAD work on it. We'll get some renderings up and get some feedback from y'all before we finalize anything. Man I can't wait to see some designs. I keep coming back to check every few hours too I'm getting obsessed. Edited March 25, 2009 by XXasdf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 We're going to debut a new brake/suppressor layout with this new product. We were debating whether to scale up the KA-1230 or roll out the new brake type, looks like we're going to run the new version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2450paul 12 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 A BIG thanks to King Armory!!! I can't wait to see what they come up with for the new design. This is another reason I like these forums. Thanks again, Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chaps 0 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 We're going to debut a new brake/suppressor layout with this new product. We were debating whether to scale up the KA-1230 or roll out the new brake type, looks like we're going to run the new version. Great news but how about a pinned unit (with or without FSB) for us guys that want to shorten our barrels? My 308's muzzle dia would be .690" at the cut or do you have a KA-1230 version that would work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Great news but how about a pinned unit (with or without FSB) for us guys that want to shorten our barrels? My 308's muzzle dia would be .690" at the cut or do you have a KA-1230 version that would work? The KA-1230 won't work in that application since it is only .748" in diameter itself. We'll have some larger .308 brakes coming out around summer that we may be able to configure for this application if there is enough demand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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