Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Im just finishing up my conversion. Testing it, i cock it, and then put the safety on, pull the trigger, and the hammer still drops. Im not using the bolt hold open. Did i miss something? or is this normal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Definitely not normal! Open the cover and make sure the safety is engaging the trigger group. The bar should be blocking the trigger from moving, you may need to adjust it a bit. Kind of hard to say exactly what the issue is w/o seeing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Definitely not normal! Open the cover and make sure the safety is engaging the trigger group. The bar should be blocking the trigger from moving, you may need to adjust it a bit. Kind of hard to say exactly what the issue is w/o seeing it. Doesnt seem like the bar is enough to touch the trigger group (useing tapco g2) Safety on, hammer uncocked Safety off, hammer uncocked Saefty on, hammer cocked Safety off, hammer cocked Dunno, seems like the tab isnt long enough on the safety... Edited March 18, 2009 by Ultra_Magnus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zone1935 5 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Is this a .308? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Is this a .308? This is a 7.62. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zone1935 5 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 With the cover off and the safety engaged, how much "play" is in the FCG? Does the safety stop actualy touch the FCG before the hammer drops? or does the hammer release before contact? Is there any position that you can place the safety to get it to work properly? It seems that the "bar" sits a ways foward in the pics. I was wondering if this was a safety indexing issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 With the cover off and the safety engaged, how much "play" is in the FCG? Does the safety stop actualy touch the FCG before the hammer drops? or does the hammer release before contact? Is there any position that you can place the safety to get it to work properly? It seems that the "bar" sits a ways foward in the pics. I was wondering if this was a safety indexing issue. \ Safety engaged, trigger at rest. Trigger at about halfway pulled, if i pull it any harder, the hammer will drop. There is less play on the trigger with the safety engaged, but i am able to still get the hammer to drop. It appears the safey does touch appear the fcg, but lightly. And no, no matter where i posistion the safety, it does not work properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dftc 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Does the safety bar move when you pull the trigger? If you grab the bar between your fingers and pull upward is there any play? It looks like the FCG is contacting the safety bar, so it should not be moving any further. The only reason I can think of that it is would be due to the safety not being as solidly locked in place as it should be. Are you sure that the safety is locked into the hole behind that retainer plate? The plate might be holding it in place well enough to give the illusion that it is properly installed, but not well enough to prevent it from moving a little. I've never used one of those retainer plates, so that's just a wild guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Does the safety bar move when you pull the trigger? If you grab the bar between your fingers and pull upward is there any play?It looks like the FCG is contacting the safety bar, so it should not be moving any further. The only reason I can think of that it is would be due to the safety not being as solidly locked in place as it should be. Are you sure that the safety is locked into the hole behind that retainer plate? The plate might be holding it in place well enough to give the illusion that it is properly installed, but not well enough to prevent it from moving a little. I've never used one of those retainer plates, so that's just a wild guess. Its in the hole on the otherside of the reciever. Im not sure how much more solid i can have it in. Ill will take a look again tho and play with it. I gotta be doing somthing wrong, because ive googled the hell out of this and searched these forums and im the only one with this issue. edit: Yea ill try to see how much play there is when i get home. As i recall there was not much at all. Edited March 19, 2009 by Ultra_Magnus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 That doesn't make sense unless you removed some material from the bottom of the safety selector. Are you sure you didn't put the selector from another Saiga in there by mistake? (like from an S-12?) You should not be anywhere close to dropping the hammer with the safety touching the trigger bars. maybe Boris had a bit too much tater juice at break? If you have some calipers, measure the distance from the top of your selector (in the center), to the bottom where it touches the trigger bars. It should be around .053" on the x39. The S-12 is .427" - .452"(on the step)...at least this one is... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) That doesn't make sense unless you removed some material from the bottom of the safety selector. Are you sure you didn't put the selector from another Saiga in there by mistake? (like from an S-12?) You should not be anywhere close to dropping the hammer with the safety touching the trigger bars. maybe Boris had a bit too much tater juice at break? If you have some calipers, measure the distance from the top of your selector (in the center), to the bottom where it touches the trigger bars. It should be around .053" on the x39. The S-12 is .427" - .452"(on the step)...at least this one is... This is the only saiga i have, and the safety worked perfect before the conversion.....I did not remove any material from the safety, its bone stock... Ill see what i can do about measuring it. In the meantime im gonna take it apart and reassemble it. Maybe it will magically work :-/. BTW the rifle shoots fine, i tested it last night. Edited March 19, 2009 by Ultra_Magnus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Heres a video of my trigger in action. Maybe you guys can see something.... Edited March 19, 2009 by Ultra_Magnus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zone1935 5 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) This is just a shot in the dark. How does the new trigger bars compare to the old one? Is there a difference in the thickness? Edited March 20, 2009 by zone1935 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 This is just a shot in the dark. How does the new trigger bars compare to the old one? Is there a difference in the thickness? They are the same, which is odd... Anyways, rigged up a temp solution until i can think of something better. Cut out a piece of teh old floor plate and used JB weld to adhere it to the buttom of my safety. Safety works now...lol.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Who's FCG is in it (Tapco, Texas, some original FCG parts)? It doesn't look like you have the BHO installed, Is the hammer drifting to the right and releasing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Who's FCG is in it (Tapco, Texas, some original FCG parts)? It doesn't look like you have the BHO installed, Is the hammer drifting to the right and releasing? Its Tapco. No i didnt install the BHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Who's FCG is in it (Tapco, Texas, some original FCG parts)? It doesn't look like you have the BHO installed, Is the hammer drifting to the right and releasing? Its Tapco. No i didnt install the BHO. No the hammer isnt drifting, The safety just doesnt stop the trigger group before it releases the hammer. Its like its not long enough, which is why i added the metal. Now it works fine... Not sure what the deal is..unless the BHO has somethign to do with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Who's FCG is in it (Tapco, Texas, some original FCG parts)? It doesn't look like you have the BHO installed, Is the hammer drifting to the right and releasing? Its Tapco. No i didnt install the BHO. No the hammer isnt drifting, The safety just doesnt stop the trigger group before it releases the hammer. Its like its not long enough, which is why i added the metal. Now it works fine... Not sure what the deal is..unless the BHO has somethign to do with it. Hmm Tapco hook looks like it could possibly be the culprit. Did saiga change their hooks or did i get a defective FCG? Edited March 21, 2009 by Ultra_Magnus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra_Magnus 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Also here is my modded safety measured. Maybe it was to short? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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