dae.edorian 12 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I did a few searches, and I didn't see a poll with this simple information. So, if you could only own one type of US manufactured Saiga-12 mag, which type would it be? Please vote only if you've tried more than one type, or if you've been so happy with one that you only plan to buy more of that type. I left off the factory 5 round and 8 round, because they're kind of in a class of their own... as is the MD-20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
space_weazel 1 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Quality US made 8 rounder, sorry (didn't vote) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dae.edorian 12 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Quality US made 8 rounder, sorry (didn't vote) What brand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 factory 5's here, not voting.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonblack 9 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It would be interesting to hear why people voted the way they did. For example, whether they really like a mag or just consider it the worst of the evils. The fact that some people opt for the factory mags leaves me to believe that the mags in the polls might leave a little (or a lot) to be desired. jonblack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The AGPs have been around the longest and despite their issues, I think more people are comfortable with that. I myself would like to have seen a Surefire 8 rounder on your list. That's just me though. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 If you could only have one magazine, I would think anyone could afford ONE Russian 8 rd. No vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Surly 11 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 AGP 10. Aside from the two MD drums and a factory five, AGP's are all I have...all 25 of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 AGP does it again... I would like a couple more MD 20 drums... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 AGPs if I had to have only ONE US mag, of those listed. If Mike's drum was listed, I'd have picked it instead, as I can get Russkie 8 rounders also and still meet the letter of the poll. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The question was.."if you could have only ONE US MADE MAGAZINE". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The question was.."if you could have only ONE US MADE MAGAZINE". I can't decide between Hustler and Easyrider.......................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PRISONSHANK 70 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 i went with the AGP...pretty much because the metal feed lips make me think it'll last longer that a surefire in the long run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The question was.."if you could have only ONE US MADE MAGAZINE". Yes, I CAN read and comprehend, Cobra. ONE US made mag, then as many RUSSIAN as I want. I hope this helps clarify things for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommygunner 13 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have 2 AGP 10s. Both work good and have had no problems with them. They are fun on the range and put a smile on the face of anyone who shoots my S12. But they too big for feild use. I bought my S12 to hunt with. I hunt in some extreme conditions. So any further mag purchaces i make will be 5 rounders. I like the idea of just reaching in my bags and pulling out a new mag for a quick reload. Instead of fumbling with shells reloading a conventional tube mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The question was.."if you could have only ONE US MADE MAGAZINE". Yes, I CAN read and comprehend, Cobra. ONE US made mag, then as many RUSSIAN as I want. I hope this helps clarify things for you. To clarify things for you Patriot...I read your post and I fully understood that. My opinion on the matter is exactly the same as yours and I already have at least one of every mag that is available for the S-12. I was commenting because others were taking the thread off track by talking ONLY about Russian mags, or mags not included in the vote. What is the point of saying you do not want to vote? Just don't show up at the polls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) ^^^^and that's the problem with this poll and many others. To be objective, you have to own all the mags mentioned and have some time running them to form a good opinion. I own all but the Surfire, all seem to have good and bad points that can be overcome in most cases with minor tweeking. At this point, I don't have the time with the Promag as the AGP, but all things considered at this point they both seem to be reliable after a little tlc. The Russian 5's & 8's are the benchmark in terms of wear resistance and reliability out of the box. Edited March 19, 2009 by 6500rpm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have a couple of first generation AGPs that have a few hiccups. I'm sending them to Cobra to spill beer on and correct the problem! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raidersfan_5544 57 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 AGP 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dae.edorian 12 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well, I think there's a clear winner. I'll be trying the AGPs as my first aftermarket mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D-H 20 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I only have experience with the factory five rounder and the AGP 10 rounder and I'm satisfied with the AGP 10 rounder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rbthntr64 21 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) First look at 10rd Promag today. Got two in. Aestetically they look great, but that is as far as the honeymoon went. The follower rocks back and forth, and as others have pointed out, it comes up too far. I am going to ask if they have any plans to improve the follower. If not, I will have to give these a big thumbs down. I also bought a used AGP off of gunbroker and it has functioned flawlessly through 300 rounds, the Promag didn't make it 5 rounds before I got a FTF. It also required fitting where the AGP fit without any fitting at all. Clear winner is AGP in my eyes unless Promag improves their product. Edited March 20, 2009 by rbthntr64 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Most every US Saiga mag out there has at one time or another required some kind of tweaking to get them to work right. Whether it's first Gen AGPs having the follower hang up, second Gen AGPs having front tabs break off or having the halves come apart, Surefire 12 rounders breaking tabs when shooting 3" magnums, Promags having their followers stick up too high or even the venerable MD-20 drum having brittle feed lips, ALL mags have had issues. Fortunately, pretty much all of the manufacturers stand behind their products. Not sure how the Wrathmaker guys are with customer service, since they weren't around here much by the time I showed up. My experience with the Surefires have been good. I haven't messed with the Promags, but I hear that once they get the "cork & fork" treatment, they work pretty well. I'm looking forward to putting the MD-20 through her paces soon. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
us_dragunov 11 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) I already have at least one of every mag that is available for the S-12. Do you have the VEPR-12 mags that fit and function in the Saiga-12 mag well? I didn't vote as I don't have any of the US mags. So guys....which US mag is the best? Now I'm curious too. Edited March 20, 2009 by us_dragunov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I already have at least one of every mag that is available for the S-12. Do you have the VEPR-12 mags that fit and function in the Saiga-12 mag well? I didn't vote as I don't have any of the US mags. So guys....which US mag is the best? Now I'm curious too. Ya got me there...I should have said every mag available here in the US... I do have the regular S-12 mag well mag, and it's a better fit in there than the other mags I've tried so far....being made for it I guess it should be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) So, not a lot of love for the Surefire 12 rnd mags, eh? I just bought 5 of em for $47 apiece. Actually I just bought a Saiga 12 IZ-109 on gunbroker today, and bought those mags because I suspected they would not last at that price. The 12 rounders do look pretty damn long, but I couldn't pass up that shell capacity for that price, esp as most online shops seem to be sold out and they are going for ~$65+ each on gunbroker now. Besides their length, are there any other significant downsides to the Surefire 12 rnd mags? Edited March 20, 2009 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 There's nothing wrong with the Surefire mags. Most people are just going to vote for the mag that has been around the longest and had more exposure. The AGPs had their fair share of problems early on. Their customer service is good so they have earned a good reputation. SGM also has great customer service. There are even advantages to the SGM mags, like smoother feeding and the ability to be converted to anything from 2 rds, 5, 8, or 10, without having to buy anything extra. I don't really like to see these "polls" or comparisons on which products are "better" because it's all opinions, lots of times uninformed ones. It can misrepresent a product that just doesn't have the exposure and reputation yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rbthntr64 21 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Spoke with a Tech at ProMag today and was told that they are working on a replacement spring and follower to fix the issues with their Saiga 12 mag. I have done testing with their AK mags and found they worked well. Hopefully their fix will improve the success of their Saiga mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot12 11 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 The AGPs have been around the longest and despite their issues, I think more people are comfortable with that. I myself would like to have seen a Surefire 8 rounder on your list. That's just me though. Corbin I think that the surefire 8rd mags are the most reliable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 If I could have only one it would be a MD-20 Drum, I'm very impressed by the quality. From what was listed I voted AGP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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