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actually, as a law enforcement officer, you should follow orders. Whether you do or not should not be open to each officers individual interpretation of the constitution, and therefore whether or not they can justify following the orders they have been given. Thus only creating chaos.

 

Vets, like other private citizens, don't get orders from anyone, so none to follow.

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well, i dont think we're a country of Nazi's. so no, i don't think that applies.

 

 

Neither did they. The cavalier attitude that 'it cant happen here'. is a guarantee that it WILL.

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"I was just following orders" or "I was just doing my job" is a spineless excuse for doing anything morally wrong. What goes around comes around, and that's just bad karma. PERIOD. :evil:

 

There's no GOOD reason for being a douche . . . Nazi douche or not . . . :haha:

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well, i dont think we're a country of Nazi's. so no, i don't think that applies.

 

Not yet but not that far away either. JMHO.

 

And what are you doing to prevent that from happening other than bitching about it? There is a lot of people who give their lives to protect this country. There are also a lot of people who fight battles everyday to keep this country great dispite the constant bombardment of naysaying assholes. For you to even jokingly compare this country to the nazi's makes me sick. Maybe you should go back to canada.

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well, i dont think we're a country of Nazi's. so no, i don't think that applies.

 

 

The problem is/was ....

Germany was not a country of nazi's either.

Just a brief study of psychological studies will demostrate how average human beings will do things they normally would not do when it is under the influence of "authority" or what one percieves as authority. Group think and mob influence are also related issues when it comes to how people will do things seemingly beyond their beliefs.

 

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well, i dont think we're a country of Nazi's. so no, i don't think that applies.

 

Not yet but not that far away either. JMHO.

 

And what are you doing to prevent that from happening other than bitching about it? There is a lot of people who give their lives to protect this country. There are also a lot of people who fight battles everyday to keep this country great dispite the constant bombardment of naysaying assholes. For you to even jokingly compare this country to the nazi's makes me sick. Maybe you should go back to canada.

 

 

I already did two tours in Viet Nam as a fucking Marine Corps Scout Sniper. So fuck youyou pathetic cocksucker. If you aren't talking to me sorry.

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well, i dont think we're a country of Nazi's. so no, i don't think that applies.

 

Not yet but not that far away either. JMHO.

 

And what are you doing to prevent that from happening other than bitching about it? There is a lot of people who give their lives to protect this country. There are also a lot of people who fight battles everyday to keep this country great dispite the constant bombardment of naysaying assholes. For you to even jokingly compare this country to the nazi's makes me sick. Maybe you should go back to canada.

 

 

I already did two tours in Viet Nam as a fucking Marine Corps Scout Sniper. So fuck youyou pathetic cocksucker. If you aren't talking to me sorry.

 

You think because you did tours in a war you have the right to degrade this country? You really are in desperate need of a reality check if you think that is acceptable. You of all people (if you actually have done what you claim) should know better than that. You of all people should believe that this country can rise above all threats and challenges whether foreign or domestic. Shame on you, to make comments of that nature, then parade the fact that you are a Marine all the while shaming yourself. Be mad if you want, yell and scream if you want, but you were wrong and you know it. I may have never fought in a foreign war, and I may be upset at where we are moving, but I would never dream to even think this country would go where you claim it is going. If our "heros" who have fought to make this country what it is have given up and thrown in the towel, then what are the rest of us to do? Who should we look to?...to the ones who have given up?

 

You call me pathetic? If thats the case what do you call your actions? Appearantly, what I have to say is a little more realistic to you than I thought, otherwise you would not have reacted the way you did.

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The only way we are going to change the country is to be honest about where it is heading. Lets not let the emotions that words like "Fascist" bring distract us from what is happening here. Because if we can not properly identify the threat how can any of use do anything to fix the problem. This is not a dig on America, just the way that a lot of Her citizens are taking us.

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The only way we are going to change the country is to be honest about where it is heading. Lets not let the emotions that words like "Fascist" bring distract us from what is happening here. Because if we can not properly identify the threat how can any of use do anything to fix the problem. This is not a dig on America, just the way that a lot of Her citizens are taking us.

I totally agree. I am not at all happy with the way this country is going right now. I think this last three months of 'rumors' has done more damage to this country than the last ten years, but I will not give up. I refuse to even imagine defeat, if we succede to their ideals, then they have won before the fight even really began. Think about it, this fight has not even begun yet. There are no bans, yet, no taxes, yet, no one knocking asking for your rights. But there are some...and I am not referring to Jangles here....who see it fit to give up and admit to themselves that it's too late. If we, even part of us give up....then we have lost half of the voting, half the members of the fight......

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I would never dream to even think this country would go where you claim it is going. If our "heros" who have fought to make this country what it is have given up and thrown in the towel, then what are the rest of us to do? Who should we look to?...to the ones who have given up?

 

Then my suggestion would be to stop dreaming and wake up. This country is going EXACTLY where people who fought our wars think it's going...that is to say fascism, socialism, and every other -ism out there that tramples on liberty and justice for all. Because if you don't have a problem with US citizens being denied the right of due process, with US troops being deployed stateside, warrantless surveillance, and the latest and greatest....belonging to a 3rd party political group labels you as a domestic terrorist...if YOU don't have a problem with any of these things...then carry on. America is doing just fucking great.

 

Whether anyone has done two tours or no tours, they abso-fucking-lutely have the right to denigrate this country. It's called Freedom of Speech. Also known as the First Amendment.

 

Man you seriously have that big of a problem if a certain group of people choose to exercise what liberty they have left? Theyr'e not asking anyone to look up to them, merely stating what they believe. Who should you look to? The same person you'd look to if someone broke into your house at 3AM looking to rob you or kill you...that is yourself.

 

And since you asked, what are YOU doing to change things? Or are you happy with the way things are?

 

Seriously, if you can't finger the biggest threat to our way of life right now you really haven't been paying attention (hint: there are no Arabs or Muslims terrorist involved).

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I would never dream to even think this country would go where you claim it is going. If our "heros" who have fought to make this country what it is have given up and thrown in the towel, then what are the rest of us to do? Who should we look to?...to the ones who have given up?

 

Then my suggestion would be to stop dreaming and wake up. This country is going EXACTLY where people who fought our wars think it's going...that is to say fascism, socialism, and every other -ism out there that tramples on liberty and justice for all. Because if you don't have a problem with US citizens being denied the right of due process, with US troops being deployed stateside, warrantless surveillance, and the latest and greatest....belonging to a 3rd party political group labels you as a domestic terrorist...if YOU don't have a problem with any of these things...then carry on. America is doing just fucking great.

 

Whether anyone has done two tours or no tours, they abso-fucking-lutely have the right to denigrate this country. It's called Freedom of Speech. Also known as the First Amendment.

 

Man you seriously have that big of a problem if a certain group of people choose to exercise what liberty they have left? Theyr'e not asking anyone to look up to them, merely stating what they believe. Who should you look to? The same person you'd look to if someone broke into your house at 3AM looking to rob you or kill you...that is yourself.

 

And since you asked, what are YOU doing to change things? Or are you happy with the way things are?

 

Seriously, if you can't finger the biggest threat to our way of life right now you really haven't been paying attention (hint: there are no Arabs or Muslims terrorist involved).

 

I am not dreaming at all. I know what is going on and all that I have said is there is no reason to openly give up. I don't care one way or the other what you believe or care about. If you want to sit back and bitch that what you have done or think you have done is going out to pasture for a new way of life, then go ahead and give up. You wanna join this fight and try insult me, because you think you have a more enlightened experience than me and then result to the first admendment, freedom of speech argument thats fine. But let me ask you, what do you do when someone pisses on my flag? Nothing huh? After all it's the freedom of speech, protected by the first admendment, right. How about when some nutjob, sacrifices animals or people. Is that protected by the freedom of religion? Wake the fuck up man. Are you seriously one of these idiot defense attorneys that thinks the constitution was drafted with modern America in mind, I don't think so.

 

If you honestly think that the constitution was drafted to protect what these assholes are doing today as freedom of speech, then YOU are the one who seriously needs to wake up and do something. ME? I fight every fight I can. I write letters, attend meetings, pay my dues to the NRA and attend DEMOCRATIC meetings and conferences.

 

I am not at all happy with the way things are, but since you decided to point fingers....What have you done?

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How about when some nutjob, sacrifices animals or people. Is that protected by the freedom of religion?

 

Actually, for animals, yes. It is covered under 'free exercise.'

Not exactly, you can't sacrifice people, only animals and you can't just "say" it is a religious belief, you need to have some kind of "church" setup.

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Are you seriously one of these idiot defense attorneys that thinks the constitution was drafted with modern America in mind, I don't think so.

 

Maybe it wasn't made with modern america in mind, but it applies just the same. The constitution today should have just as much if not MORE meaning to you now than ever.

 

And YES I defended americas right to call the war i fought a stupid blood for oil scheme. You think i liked that? you think that means i don't think they had every right to say it? Mob mentality is what we are dealing with and the masses are stupid.

 

Darwin will have the last laugh.

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You wanna join this fight and try insult me, because you think you have a more enlightened experience than me and then result to the first admendment, freedom of speech argument thats fine. But let me ask you, what do you do when someone pisses on my flag? Nothing huh?

I am not at all happy with the way things are, but since you decided to point fingers....What have you done?

 

Served my country for one. Fought one war. How about you? Oh yeah, you wrote some letters and some checks. So by what metric are you gauging the success of your writing and funding campaign? I'd really like to know.

 

Insult you? Hey man, if the shoe or jackboot fits wear it.

 

Did I ever claim a more enlightened experience? Nope. But I am saying that I have a different perspective. It's not just your flag and there was a time when all I wanted was to spear that flagpole into some enemy's chest and have it wave high in the air. Actually, I still do, I just realized that I was looking for them in all the wrong places.

 

Democracy huh? Well, this country was founded as a Republic. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. A Republic is an armed sheep contesting the vote. Hence the Second Amendment.

 

And how exactly are these guys pissing on the flag? Because they're holding to the oath they've taken to the Constitution of the United States? Yeah, I guess you really do know what's going on. You seriously think that rumors from the last three months are what brought us to this point?

 

Brilliant.

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actually, as a law enforcement officer, you should follow orders. Whether you do or not should not be open to each officers individual interpretation of the constitution, and therefore whether or not they can justify following the orders they have been given. Thus only creating chaos.

 

Vets, like other private citizens, don't get orders from anyone, so none to follow.

Bullshit, every Law Enforcement Officer has a moral and sworn responsibility to uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Your moral compass is out of kilter if you believe this.

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Are you seriously one of these idiot defense attorneys that thinks the constitution was drafted with modern America in mind, I don't think so.

 

Maybe it wasn't made with modern america in mind, but it applies just the same. The constitution today should have just as much if not MORE meaning to you now than ever.

 

Unfortunately, no it doesn't. Too many lazy and hypocrytical people have leaned on it for a crutch. It may be a right, but they should be earned and deserved. Call me a fascist if you want, I personally don't give a shit.

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Unfortunately, no it doesn't. Too many lazy and hypocrytical people have leaned on it for a crutch. It may be a right, but they should be earned and deserved. Call me a fascist if you want, I personally don't give a shit.

Thats exacly what i would call someone who dosn't believe in the unailiable rights this country is founded on.

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well, i dont think we're a country of Nazi's. so no, i don't think that applies.

 

 

The problem is/was ....

Germany was not a country of nazi's either.

Just a brief study of psychological studies will demostrate how average human beings will do things they normally would not do when it is under the influence of "authority" or what one percieves as authority. Group think and mob influence are also related issues when it comes to how people will do things seemingly beyond their beliefs.

 

HarvKY

This is most certainly true and a proven failing in the human condition. The town school master,a mere chicken farmer and a violinist became totally inhumane after donning the black uniform. The French revolution and Robespierre is another prime example. A cop that does not question orders that may be illegal should not be in LAW (key word) enforcement. Individuals who have been in combat or served for the US do have the right to speak freely as they have earned it protecting your right to your opinion. These individuals, to me, by putting their lives on the line for my rights have a honored place in my heart and I put a little more stock in their opinions.

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You wanna join this fight and try insult me, because you think you have a more enlightened experience than me and then result to the first admendment, freedom of speech argument thats fine. But let me ask you, what do you do when someone pisses on my flag? Nothing huh?

I am not at all happy with the way things are, but since you decided to point fingers....What have you done?

 

Served my country for one. Fought one war. How about you? Oh yeah, you wrote some letters and some checks. So by what metric are you gauging the success of your writing and funding campaign? I'd really like to know.

 

Insult you? Hey man, if the shoe or jackboot fits wear it.

 

Did I ever claim a more enlightened experience? Nope. But I am saying that I have a different perspective. It's not just your flag and there was a time when all I wanted was to spear that flagpole into some enemy's chest and have it wave high in the air. Actually, I still do, I just realized that I was looking for them in all the wrong places.

 

Democracy huh? Well, this country was founded as a Republic. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. A Republic is an armed sheep contesting the vote. Hence the Second Amendment.

 

And how exactly are these guys pissing on the flag? Because they're holding to the oath they've taken to the Constitution of the United States? Yeah, I guess you really do know what's going on. You seriously think that rumors from the last three months are what brought us to this point?

 

Brilliant.

 

I never claimed anyone here was pissing on the flag. Simple comment. I took the same oath as you, so that is a moot point.

 

I said I attend DEMOCRATIC meetings as in the party respresented by the jackass. Not democracy. I should have wrote meeting for democrats, sorry.

 

You have no idea what I have done, just because I did not go into some diatribe about my services to this country does not mean that I have not bled for this country and your rights. I don't have the hero complex and don't feel the need to remind people everytime I turn around what I have done. I don't guage my success, because I don't follow myself with a running tally. I never claimed what I did worked. You asked what I do, I answered.

 

As far as you serving in the war, great Thank you. I appreciate your sacrifices, but don't assume I have not made any myself.

 

No I know this downward spiral has been coming for decades now, but it has become more prevelant in the last three months, since these rumors have started. I just don't feel the need to go into a four page discertation about where I am coming from and the history behind it everytime I post.

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