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I contacted TC arms about what they recommend as far

as interchangability between original pistols and rifles

,and vice versa. They basically said swap back and forth

all you want it's legal for either pistols or rifles to go in

either direction.

 

First the email:

"Gail Lynch" <GLynch@tcarms.com>

Send me you mailing address and I will send you some paperwork

on this matter. It is not illegal to go back and forth

 

Gail

 

Thompson/Center Arms

 

Then I called and spoke to Customer Service

and was told it's ok to make one of their rifles

into a pistol. She said she can send me paperwork

on the matter.

 

Complete BS according to our most beloved government

agency that proclaims our rights

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239

 

Am I missing something here? Who should I believe TC Arms

or the 3AM door breachers? Rhetorical question obviously

no need to answer. The real question is how did this mess happen?

TC Arms is opening Pandoras Box with their policy.

I have met too many people at the range that swap and don't care

if they happen to violate the NFA law. The TC court case that is often

cited did not authorize more than marketing a box of parts that could

be first assembled into either a pistol or rifle. That is what many are

using to justify what TC is claiming. Its not like I care what others are

doing, but what TC is irresponsible about in their communication to

fellow gun owners.

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It was my understanding that the TC court case did just that. Granted an exception from the whole rifle-to-pistol-to-rifle thing for the TC contender that is. They're exempt from constructive intent also IIRC.

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Granted an exception from the whole rifle-to-pistol-to-rifle thing for the TC contender that is.

 

Why is the ATF stating that it's not ok to swap back and forth

from Rifle to pistol in the letter on the link I provided?

The letter on that link is dated far after the TC supreme court case.

Can anyone possibly point out the exact wording from the case

that actually says its now ok to make a TC rifle into a pistol?

If this is true, it can be argued that we have equal protection

under the constitution to do the same to non-TC rifles.

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From the letter:

Oct 30, 2003

converting a new contender or encore rifle to a pistol

... results in making an NFA firearm. Someone hasn't bothered

to let the tech branch in on the case outcome. If someone gets caught,

doing this I don't think TC is going to pay their legal fees.

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You had better start out with a pistol if you want to go back and forth or you could get in trouble.The same ATF decision that allows a long barrel and stock to turn a TC pistol into a carbine also states that once a rifle always a rifle and it becomes an SBR once you stick a short barrel on it even if there is not buttstock.

 

By the way you can weld an extension and install a buttstock on an AK pistol but if you cut the barrel down on an AK rifle you will be the guest of s Federal Concentration Camp for a decade.

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.The same ATF decision that allows a long barrel and stock to turn a TC pistol into a carbine also states that once a rifle always a rifle

 

I agree 100 percent with what your saying

I can't understand how TC does not have this concept

in their legal policy.

 

I have seen many bardwell subguns letters and other letters

that state once a rifle always a rifle no exceptions generally.

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You had better start out with a pistol if you want to go back and forth or you could get in trouble.The same ATF decision that allows a long barrel and stock to turn a TC pistol into a carbine also states that once a rifle always a rifle and it becomes an SBR once you stick a short barrel on it even if there is not buttstock.

 

By the way you can weld an extension and install a buttstock on an AK pistol but if you cut the barrel down on an AK rifle you will be the guest of s Federal Concentration Camp for a decade.

 

Sopmed,

 

Would this be true of a AR Pistol by the addition of a stock, or would this still have to go the SBR route?

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Pretty good read on the TC ruling

 

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/tc.html

 

I read the actual court published transcript on another website

and no where does it define what you can and can't do. The case was

about whether TC can distribute a frame, pistol grip, short barrel,

shoulder stock, and long barrel in the same box. The ATF has held the

opinion that going from a pistol to a rifle is ok, but reversing that

is illegal according to all the online ATF letter sources I have seen.

Many are well familiar with the stockless receiver is ok for an AOW

same is true for a pistol build.

paragraph 2 line 1

"A rifle receiver that has never been stocked as a rifle

may be utilized in the manufacture of a pistol."

Clearly a once stocked receiver cannot be made into pistol

without the proper legal steps such as a tax stamp.

Turning a stock saiga into a pistol falls under the same ruling.

Somehow, if I stamp TC arms on my Saiga I can magically

do this pistol conversion with no worries. :lolol:

http://www.gunco.net/forums/f3/ak-pistol-q...150/index2.html

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I looked into making an AR pistol a couple of years ago. Duncan Long has several books out on the subject, most notably "Making Your AR-15 Into A Legal Pistol". As the ATF letter above states, you MUST have a receiver that has never been built as a pistol, and have documentation from the manufacturer stating that. Among other things, he reccomended making several copies of the letter from the manufacturer and invoice to carry with you and in the pistol grip of the magazine to "save you a trip to jail, and avoid hard feelings between you and the law". Only buy all new parts, including magazines and don't use any of them in your rifle, so you don't violate using rifle parts in your pistol, do not mount any type of shoulder stock on your pistol. There is a grey area concerning if you intend to manufacture Title 1 firearms for sale or distributions, you may have to have a manufacturers license. Is it just assembling, or manufacturing? Owning a rifle upon which you can mount the upper receiver on your pistol is legal, but you must never do so. If someone wanted to cause you trouble, they could say you had a buttstock on your pistol and it would be your word against his. IMHO with the different types of pistols on the market that accept the 5.56 or .223 round, it would be far simpler and less hassle to just buy one of them. You avoid a lot of headaches. I'm planning on buying a Kel-Tec PLR-16 as soon as my local dealer can get one. I wish I would have bought them when they first came out. It would have been like a 2 for 1 sale!

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With AR's, this is a moot point, since getting a separate receiver is going to cost about as much as getting an SBR stamp for one of your rifle receivers. But I do wonder about AK variants sometimes... good input so far!

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