1917 0 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Do you guys use recoil buffers when shooting slugs mixed with low power birdshot? I heard about the problems with them. Would a thinner buffer be ok? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Buffers are generally looked down upon as unnecessary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mollysman420 19 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I have seen buffers cause a lot of problems dont waste your money Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) I've heard they will prevent the trunion from getting hammered by the bolt carrier and the shotgun is slightly softer on recoil when using a buffer. I used one for awhile and removed it when I started to get failure to eject malfunctions. Removing the buffer solved the problem immediately. Edited April 28, 2009 by Ronswin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 NO. If you get gunfixr's plug, find the lowest setting that ejects the birdshot and use it for everything 2 3/4", including Slugs. Just don't shoot 3" slugs on that setting.... even in the manual it says that setting 1 is for 3" setting 2 is for 2 3/4" shells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dancapostagno 0 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 this has been discussed in the past. From what I understand of the discussion last time, the recoil buffer is something intended to work on the Saiga rifles, but is a BAD IDEA for the Saiga shotguns. The recoil force on the rifles is sharper and faster, so softening it up is a doable proposition (if you really feel you want to, as the buffer has other problems.) The Saiga shotguns are a tad slower on the cycle as a function both of the rounds they fire and the modifications done to the original design to adapt it to them. Ergo, slowing-down the recoil will not allow for adequate shell ejection and frustration will ensue. That's what I can recall of the discussion at least, so anyone correct me if I'm remembering it wrong. If you are looking to tame the wallop a bit, you would better be suited by a thicker recoil pad, and/or one of those mercury recoil dampener devices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I see them as a good idea unless the buffer starts to cause a problem. I've not had a cycling problem with the Black Jack buffers yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) this has been discussed in the past. From what I understand of the discussion last time, the recoil buffer is something intended to work on the Saiga rifles, but is a BAD IDEA for the Saiga shotguns. The recoil force on the rifles is sharper and faster, so softening it up is a doable proposition (if you really feel you want to, as the buffer has other problems.) The Saiga shotguns are a tad slower on the cycle as a function both of the rounds they fire and the modifications done to the original design to adapt it to them. Ergo, slowing-down the recoil will not allow for adequate shell ejection and frustration will ensue. That's what I can recall of the discussion at least, so anyone correct me if I'm remembering it wrong. If you are looking to tame the wallop a bit, you would better be suited by a thicker recoil pad, and/or one of those mercury recoil dampener devices. I beg to differ. The recoil buffer is designed to separate fools and ignorants from their money. Ignorant of how an AK works, most people solve a "bolt carrier contacts rear block" issue with a buffer, when in reality, it's the recoil spring that needs replacing. The Kalashnikov design did not include a recoil buffer, even though buffer technology was available at the time. Adding an aftermarket recoil buffer can lead to problems, with the most extreme being a cracked receiver. Recoil Buffer - Saiga-12.com Muzzle brakes? - Saiga-12.com Installing the Buffer on the Saiga Shotgun - Saiga-12.com Valmet Recoil Buffer (Does this actually work?) - Saiga-12.com Definitive answer on recoil buffers? - Saiga-12.com blackjack blue or black or ? buffer - Saiga-12.com recoil buffer, noticed a difference? - Saiga-12.com Edited April 29, 2009 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dancapostagno 0 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 this has been discussed in the past. From what I understand of the discussion last time, the recoil buffer is something intended to work on the Saiga rifles, but is a BAD IDEA for the Saiga shotguns. The recoil force on the rifles is sharper and faster, so softening it up is a doable proposition (if you really feel you want to, as the buffer has other problems.) The Saiga shotguns are a tad slower on the cycle as a function both of the rounds they fire and the modifications done to the original design to adapt it to them. Ergo, slowing-down the recoil will not allow for adequate shell ejection and frustration will ensue. That's what I can recall of the discussion at least, so anyone correct me if I'm remembering it wrong. If you are looking to tame the wallop a bit, you would better be suited by a thicker recoil pad, and/or one of those mercury recoil dampener devices. I beg to differ. The recoil buffer is designed to separate fools and ignorants from their money. Ignorant of how an AK works, most people solve a "bolt carrier contacts rear block" issue with a buffer, when in reality, it's the recoil spring that needs replacing. The Kalashnikov design did not include a recoil buffer, even though buffer technology was available at the time. Adding an aftermarket recoil buffer can lead to problems, with the most extreme being a cracked receiver. Recoil Buffer - Saiga-12.com Muzzle brakes? - Saiga-12.com Installing the Buffer on the Saiga Shotgun - Saiga-12.com Valmet Recoil Buffer (Does this actually work?) - Saiga-12.com Definitive answer on recoil buffers? - Saiga-12.com blackjack blue or black or ? buffer - Saiga-12.com recoil buffer, noticed a difference? - Saiga-12.com Agreed. As I recall, even when the device is not causing problems, there is the matter of durability. The softer ones don't last long, but if you go with a firmer one, it is firmer, and therefore not performing the function you had intended for it. It is a catch-22 that way, and as I said earlier, there are better ways to cut down on recoil, if that is what you want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 on my 223, i added a buffer. it was supposedly derlon material. It was as hard as a rock. i fired approx 70 rounds with it installed. the loop that goes around the spring has broken. it seems to be a bad idea for the firing pin too. it now has an indention in the buffer from when the firing pin hits as the bolt carrier flies back. it is like the firing pin is hit twice for each shot now. i dont plan to use it again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
royke 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 this has been discussed in the past. From what I understand of the discussion last time, the recoil buffer is something intended to work on the Saiga rifles, but is a BAD IDEA for the Saiga shotguns. The recoil force on the rifles is sharper and faster, so softening it up is a doable proposition (if you really feel you want to, as the buffer has other problems.) The Saiga shotguns are a tad slower on the cycle as a function both of the rounds they fire and the modifications done to the original design to adapt it to them. Ergo, slowing-down the recoil will not allow for adequate shell ejection and frustration will ensue. That's what I can recall of the discussion at least, so anyone correct me if I'm remembering it wrong. If you are looking to tame the wallop a bit, you would better be suited by a thicker recoil pad, and/or one of those mercury recoil dampener devices. I beg to differ. The recoil buffer is designed to separate fools and ignorants from their money. Ignorant of how an AK works, most people solve a "bolt carrier contacts rear block" issue with a buffer, when in reality, it's the recoil spring that needs replacing. The Kalashnikov design did not include a recoil buffer, even though buffer technology was available at the time. Adding an aftermarket recoil buffer can lead to problems, with the most extreme being a cracked receiver. Recoil Buffer - Saiga-12.com Muzzle brakes? - Saiga-12.com Installing the Buffer on the Saiga Shotgun - Saiga-12.com Valmet Recoil Buffer (Does this actually work?) - Saiga-12.com Definitive answer on recoil buffers? - Saiga-12.com blackjack blue or black or ? buffer - Saiga-12.com recoil buffer, noticed a difference? - Saiga-12.com The Soviets used recoil buffers on the PPSh1941 (fibre) and the PPs1943 (leather) submachine guns. They were obviously quite familiar with the use of buffers where they thought them to be needed. The AK costs much more to build than the straight blowback open bolt firing pistol caliber submachineguns mentioned here. If a buffer was needed they could have designed one into the weapon...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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