mp5man 1 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Looks to me like the S-20 receiver may have been marked Canta-12 and ground down and remarked Canta-20. The grind marks are very noticeable. The grinding area takes up the front third of the left side. It appears to have reduced the receiver wall thickness as well. Thanks for any information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Drunk workers must have mixed the receivers and "fixed" them... Happens, thats why we don't buy their cars Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Not at all surprising....can you share some pics? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 This is a new "Special"........very few 20's are coming in right now........I wonder if they were just trying to knock out some guns without retooling from the 12 ga. setups....................if you are worried about the wall thickness send an e-mail to RAAC about replacement..........I'm getting the "factory seconds" to tear down for warranty parts so I'll eventually get to take a look at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mp5man 1 Posted May 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Thanks for the info. I have emailed Clyde at RAA and sent him some pictures. I will try and get them posted here as well. Never tried to post pics here but I'll give it a try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mp5man 1 Posted May 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Here is a couple of shots of the receivers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Doesn't look bad from the pics.........How does it shoot.........? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I have a couple spots like that on my 12 I think. I would think there is enough metal left for it to be safe to use (I'd use it) I do wish they would set the mismarked receivers aside instead of sending them out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russianblood 0 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Here's the markings on my S-20. There is something there they crossed out: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Those type of cross-out marks were often seen when the importer changed, but they would be located elsewhere on the receiver. Looks like they just mismarked one of the specifications on yours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Canon 1 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Here's the markings on my S-20. There is something there they crossed out: It is the export version of Saiga. In Russia it was a long choke model (Saiga 20S), but it was factory rebuild to the short cylinder version. The barrel and the choke were cut out and the mark was changed - the older one was deleted and the new one written. I have the same one. As I see it was produced in 2006. In 2006-2007 Izhmash had a huge contract with Venezuela for long choke saigas. Seems like they produced more rifles than needed and after that converted some of them to the other versions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well, you could consider it an extrememly rare variant (if you sell it on GunStroker), or just another Izhmash fuck up. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 my 5.45 has almost identically placed grind marks, front left 1/3 of the receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoughRider666 47 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Here is a couple of shots of the receivers. WOW! id be pissed and probably demand a new gun! I know its Russia, but that is just totally unacceptable to let something out of the factory like that! Fortunately though, there is a solution for this, should you decide to keep this gun. I discovered that Rust-Oleum textured semi-gloss paint is almost an identical match to the factory stuff, and would most likely cover that up and you wouldnt be able to tell...its great paint, and VERY durable and it conseals most imperfections because it fills really well. good luck Edited October 6, 2009 by RoughRider666 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Canon 1 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 The grind is a real factory's fuckup. You guys are getting the export versions of saiga where such things are quite rare. On the local market here in Russia it's a real problem. 50% of all saigas from the factory are having something like that. It was a nice joke from the Izhmash several years ago. A man bought a brand new S12 from the local dealer. Being quite a busy person first time he tried it was a year after. He tried to arm it, but nothing has happened. The shell didn't go into the chamber. He removed the cover and ... everyone was totally surprised to see that his S12 has no chamber! He sent it to the plant with the reclamation "broken, has no chamber". In fact, what have happened? The plant packed the deactivated S12 made for exibition and sold it as a normal one It is a real funny country 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I must say, the grind marks aren't such a big deal to me. I bought the gun to shoot, this little cosmetic issue doesn't take away from the function or utility of the gun. These are still the 169$ rifles that were imported 10 years ago, were just paying a lot more for them because they are popular and because the dollar ain't what it used to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 my 5.45 has almost identically placed grind marks, front left 1/3 of the receiver. Mine to and my 762x39 has the XXXout marks like on the 20ga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 The grind is a real factory's fuckup. You guys are getting the export versions of saiga where such things are quite rare. On the local market here in Russia it's a real problem. 50% of all saigas from the factory are having something like that. It was a nice joke from the Izhmash several years ago. A man bought a brand new S12 from the local dealer. Being quite a busy person first time he tried it was a year after. He tried to arm it, but nothing has happened. The shell didn't go into the chamber. He removed the cover and ... everyone was totally surprised to see that his S12 has no chamber! He sent it to the plant with the reclamation "broken, has no chamber". In fact, what have happened? The plant packed the deactivated S12 made for exibition and sold it as a normal one It is a real funny country Nice! The marks dont look bad though, and like Tony Said, you can always claim its the rarest of variants to some collector somewhere down the road. I had a 1900 Morgan silver dollar for a while, it was minted with a die sold off from the carson city mint, they ground down the CC mintmark and put the proper Orleans O over it, but you could still see the ghost of the original mark. According to the value book, it nearly doubled in value every year that i had it, then some methhead stole it, with the rest of my coin collection. Probably bought a snickers with it. My S12 has the same marked out markings as the second set of pictures, good to hear the story behind it. Im glad my shotty barely escaped being a Chavez "Change" Chopper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black_Wolf 1 Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 That really looks like shit. I would send that one back. Stands out like a sore thumb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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