saigafan12345 21 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Ok so I bought the TAPCO synthetic warsaw length AK stock. it comes with a little drill bit to pre drill holes in it and the mounting screws. However the mounting screws, are really well, wimpy. I mean they're less than half the diameter of the ones the factory stock was held on with. Will these screws even hold up? looks like theyd fall apart instantly. If i get a slightly larger drill bit, would I be able to drill larger holes into the TAPCO stock and use the factory screws on the TAPCO stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Just use the bit that came with the Tapco stock. You're just drilling "starter holes" anyway. You've got to leave something there for the screw threads to grip, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted May 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Just use the bit that came with the Tapco stock. You're just drilling "starter holes" anyway. You've got to leave something there for the screw threads to grip, no? does this mean i can use the stock screws on the tapco stock or what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 (edited) Ok so I bought the TAPCO synthetic warsaw length AK stock. it comes with a little drill bit to pre drill holes in it and the mounting screws. However the mounting screws, are really well, wimpy. I mean they're less than half the diameter of the ones the factory stock was held on with. Will these screws even hold up? looks like theyd fall apart instantly. If i get a slightly larger drill bit, would I be able to drill larger holes into the TAPCO stock and use the factory screws on the TAPCO stock? Just use the bit that came with the Tapco stock. You're just drilling "starter holes" anyway. You've got to leave something there for the screw threads to grip, no? does this mean i can use the stock screws on the tapco stock or what? I don't know how much more simple I can put this. Yes you can use the standard AK stock screws with your Tapco stock Yes you can use the Tapco screws with your Tapco stock. Have you never drilled a pilot hole before? That's all you're doing. Do they have shop class in school any more? Edited May 4, 2009 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Too much COFFEE nalioth... Thinks he's GOT IT now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 no we don't have shop class anymore maybe i'd have understood you the first time if your response wasn't an attempt to be an asshole and no i've never drilled a pilot hole before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobbyshooter 59 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 The recoil of the gun is pressing the stock further into the gun, so unless you are planing on doing something really odd with the gun (I'm thinking like sliding across a cable holding the buttstock like a bond movie or something) the small provided screws should be just fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 no we don't have shop class anymore maybe i'd have understood you the first time if your response wasn't an attempt to be an asshole and no i've never drilled a pilot hole before I'm not quite sure how explaining mechanical principles is "an attempt to be an asshole". Just use the bit that came with the Tapco stock. You're just drilling "starter holes" anyway. You've got to leave something there for the screw threads to grip, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 no we don't have shop class anymore maybe i'd have understood you the first time if your response wasn't an attempt to be an asshole and no i've never drilled a pilot hole before Starter HOLEs = STOCK SCREW POSSIBLE I lived in NJ 30 years.. Don't be rude. Newark/Camden.. Oh I went there..... Seriously you will gain respect. Na was a little out.. But don't SLAM here or you'll be shunned. Al PA/NJ vagrant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 no we don't have shop class anymore maybe i'd have understood you the first time if your response wasn't an attempt to be an asshole and no i've never drilled a pilot hole before Starter HOLEs = STOCK SCREW POSSIBLE I lived in NJ 30 years.. Don't be rude. Newark/Camden.. Oh I went there..... Seriously you will gain respect. Na was a little out.. But don't SLAM here or you'll be shunned. Al PA/NJ vagrant What's living in NJ have anything to do with a screw? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 My guess would be he was exposed to a LOT of rude assholes. He's trying to tell you if you act like an asshole around here, then you will be treated like one. The purpose of drilling a pilot hole is to be sure that the screw ends up exactly in the center of the holes they have to seat in, AND to give the body of the screw a same sized hole to go in while the threads are cutting and biting. Nalioth was incorrect though, in saying you can use the drill bit that came with it, to drill pilot holes for the larger sized factory screws. That's not gonna work in this application. It may work in wood, or a softer, thicker plastic, but I would use the correct size bit if I was drilling a pilot hole for the factory stock screws, in this particular stock. That plastic is VERY thin where those two screws have to go in. In fact I found out the hard way myself, just last week. Do NOT use a center punch to start a dimple in the center for your pilot bit. I hit it one time and it blew right f'king through and broke out that whole area where both screws aresupposed to go. I'm going to contact them about it and I'm sure they will take care of me ASAP, just like they did the last time I had a "mishap" with their folding stock... Just follow the directions and use the screws that came with it. It will be fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 My guess would be he was exposed to a LOT of rude assholes. He's trying to tell you if you act like an asshole around here, then you will be treated like one. The purpose of drilling a pilot hole is to be sure that the screw ends up exactly in the center of the holes they have to seat in, AND to give the body of the screw a same sized hole to go in while the threads are cutting and biting. Nalioth was incorrect though, in saying you can use the drill bit that came with it, to drill pilot holes for the larger sized factory screws. That's not gonna work in this application. It may work in wood, or a softer, thicker plastic, but I would use the correct size bit if I was drilling a pilot hole for the factory stock screws, in this particular stock. That plastic is VERY thin where those two screws have to go in. In fact I found out the hard way myself, just last week. Do NOT use a center punch to start a dimple in the center for your pilot bit. I hit it one time and it blew right f'king through and broke out that whole area where both screws aresupposed to go. I'm going to contact them about it and I'm sure they will take care of me ASAP, just like they did the last time I had a "mishap" with their folding stock... Just follow the directions and use the screws that came with it. It will be fine. I'm not normally an asshole, but I know mr. nalioth likes to lurk around here and talk like a jerk-off to everyone. i don't think i've ever seen a post by him that wasn't being a complete dickwad to someone. If he talked like that where I come from, well, he'd only talk like that once. If you want my respect you have to treat me with some as well. Thanks for the help cobra. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'm not normally an asshole, but I know mr. nalioth likes to lurk around here and talk like a jerk-off to everyone. i don't think i've ever seen a post by him that wasn't being a complete dickwad to someone. If he talked like that where I come from, well, he'd only talk like that once. I'm still wondering how my original response was "talk(ing) like a jerk-off". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'm not normally an asshole, but I know mr. nalioth likes to lurk around here and talk like a jerk-off to everyone. i don't think i've ever seen a post by him that wasn't being a complete dickwad to someone. If he talked like that where I come from, well, he'd only talk like that once. I'm still wondering how my original response was "talk(ing) like a jerk-off". You've got to leave something there for the screw threads to grip, no? I'm dumb but I'm not that dumb... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'm not normally an asshole, but I know mr. nalioth likes to lurk around here and talk like a jerk-off to everyone. i don't think i've ever seen a post by him that wasn't being a complete dickwad to someone. If he talked like that where I come from, well, he'd only talk like that once. I'm still wondering how my original response was "talk(ing) like a jerk-off". You've got to leave something there for the screw threads to grip, no? I'm dumb but I'm not that dumb... My apologies if you took it that way. There are some people who don't have the common sense or education that you obviously are gifted with. If you answer a question where someone without your gifts can understand it, there shouldn't be any issues with those - like yourself - who are so gifted. . . Keep in mind all the lurkers and future members who will be reading this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AZ Gun Nut 8 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Boys, stop kicking sand at each other. Saigafun, who is that lovely lady in your avatar? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 They're all gonna laugh at you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 apology accepted no im not gifted....i cant use tools worth a jack shit god forbid if i can ever afford to own a house the lady in my avatar is Brandy Talore she's 100% real too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Tapco had a problem with their polymer early on. Cracked out easy. They replaced it with a better model. Got one on a Romanian x39 plinker. Cobra is right. Small screws provided will do the job. About 1500rds no breakage. P.S. Brandy has a great smile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 This thread in my mind proves saigafun doesn't know a damn thing about Saigas. He just trolls acts like a complete asshole and eats.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 This thread in my mind proves saigafun doesn't know a damn thing about Saigas. He just trolls acts like a complete asshole and eats.... And now I miss the hooker with nice tits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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