Sharker524 0 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) Went to fire my Saiga for the first time after the conversion. Fires fine, but after a few shots the hammer spring is walking over the trigger and catching it so it won't reset. I have to push the trigger forward to reset it to fire again. It catches the hammer, but is getting held back enough to not let go of it, kinda like if the safety was on. I can't for the life of me figure out why my hammer spring is walking over. Can it be just a flaw in the spring or what? It looks kinda different from side to side, but in pictures I've looked at it looks the same. Is there something I'm missing that holds the hammer spring "arms" to the outside? I will look at my local store monday to see if they have any hammer springs, but this is really bugging me, as I don't like thinking I screwed up the conversion somehow. Is the hammer spring between the Saiga trigger setup and the standard AK setup the same? I used the Saiga one, I had been thinking they were the same, but this has got me thinking... Edited May 16, 2009 by Sharker524 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nine-seven 0 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Mine started doing this right after i converted it. I'm pretty sure it was my fault, as i think i must have tweaked the spring while assembling and disassembling it. You should just be able to tweak the spring leg towards the outside of the receiver. That solved the problem for me (though i opted to replace the hammer spring, and now have the original as a spare...) Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Went to fire my Saiga for the first time after the conversion. Fires fine, but after a few shots the hammer spring is walking over the trigger and catching it so it won't reset. I have to push the trigger forward to reset it to fire again. It catches the hammer, but is getting held back enough to not let go of it, kinda like if the safety was on. I can't for the life of me figure out why my hammer spring is walking over. Can it be just a flaw in the spring or what? It looks kinda different from side to side, but in pictures I've looked at it looks the same. Is there something I'm missing that holds the hammer spring "arms" to the outside? I will look at my local store monday to see if they have any hammer springs, but this is really bugging me, as I don't like thinking I screwed up the conversion somehow. Is the hammer spring between the Saiga trigger setup and the standard AK setup the same? I used the Saiga one, I had been thinking they were the same, but this has got me thinking... Probably not your fault. Is the bolt-hold-open spring pushing against the BHO itself forcing the hammer spring to move every time its fired? If this is the case, just ditch your BHO, reassemble and test. If thats not it please post some pictures so we can help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sharker524 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Probably not your fault. Is the bolt-hold-open spring pushing against the BHO itself forcing the hammer spring to move every time its fired? If this is the case, just ditch your BHO, reassemble and test. If thats not it please post some pictures so we can help. I removed the BHO and it still does it. I have attached a picture. I figure the hammer spring is just kinked or something from twisting and turning it during my first assembly. You can see the picture attached. It does not pull to the inside, but it doesn't have any tension to the outside, either, so it creeps in after a few rounds worth of recoil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zone1935 5 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I had the same problem with my .223 after conversion. I bent the leg out slightly without an incident since Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I had the same problem with my .223 after conversion. I bent the leg out slightly without an incident since Yeah, Id have to agree. from your picture it looks like the spring is unobstructed, so that means you can bend it a bit and all should work fine. However, the coil on the right side looks crooked. Is there anything obstructing the coil, can't quite tell from the pics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 My dad had this exact issue with his Saiga 12 after he converted it. The damn spring just wouldn't stay in place and kept "walking over". He just replaced the spring with an aftermarket one and that solved the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What trigger did you put in there becuase looking at it the Tab for the safty leaver is either ground off or not there from what the picture looks like See in this one hopefully if it shows up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Just looked in a few of my ouhter saiga,s and ak,s sar,s a few of them with after market triggers dont have the tab on the back of the trigger like the stock one does and a few of them as i recall I had to change the bend in the spring to keep it from moving Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Demian 0 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Probably not your fault. Is the bolt-hold-open spring pushing against the BHO itself forcing the hammer spring to move every time its fired? If this is the case, just ditch your BHO, reassemble and test. If thats not it please post some pictures so we can help. I removed the BHO and it still does it. I have attached a picture. I figure the hammer spring is just kinked or something from twisting and turning it during my first assembly. You can see the picture attached. It does not pull to the inside, but it doesn't have any tension to the outside, either, so it creeps in after a few rounds worth of recoil. Here's a vid (2.15) on bending the spring so it does'nt creep back to the center. I just put one of these spring in tonight and it took about 15 min and it works great... but the spring has to be bent out just a little. Edited May 17, 2009 by Demian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Probably not your fault. Is the bolt-hold-open spring pushing against the BHO itself forcing the hammer spring to move every time its fired? If this is the case, just ditch your BHO, reassemble and test. If thats not it please post some pictures so we can help. I removed the BHO and it still does it. I have attached a picture. I figure the hammer spring is just kinked or something from twisting and turning it during my first assembly. You can see the picture attached. It does not pull to the inside, but it doesn't have any tension to the outside, either, so it creeps in after a few rounds worth of recoil. Here's a vid (2.15) on bending the spring so it does'nt creep back to the center. I just put one of these spring in tonight and it took about 15 min and it works great... but the spring has to be bent out just a little. You need to post this as a sticky at the top of every forum. The video is well done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 If you're going to get a new spring, get the one from Carolina Shooters Supply. It makes a world of difference in trigger weight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brickvader 3 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I think this is the same problem I am having. I converted my 223 and first trip the the range I can only get one shot off at a time and after every shot it feels like its on safe. I found when I pull charge the charging handle a little it will fire the next round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 +1 on Bigsal's post. It is the BHO pushing slightly against it and making it creep into the trigger. Mine does it, but it hasn't affected functioning, so I guess I am just lucky! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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