Floorplates

[SaigaMan7.62 0]

I am trying to understand this a little better, the Saiga stock version comes with 14 foreign parts including mag?

 

If you add a military mag then thats 3 more foreign parts or does that count with the 14 foreign parts?

 

If you change the floorplates and follers does that still leave the body of the mag?

 

You can have the five round AK mag right?

 

Does adding one foreign part enact 922c?

[pistonring8 1]

Ok, I will do my best on this.

 

As long as you have a hunting stock and 5-10 round mag you are in a "sporting configuration" and dont need 922r stuff.

 

If you add a pistol grip and/or mag over 10 rounds you need to take away at least 4 of the parts on the list, and replace them with US made parts.

 

Any AK magazine counts the same as the Saiga magazine because they are all inported. The sportsmens guide sells US made AK mags that count as three US parts.

 

If you change the floorplates and followers on an inported mag then only 1 part is left as inported (the mag body) Replacement followers will fit in a Saiga mag but a floorplate will not.

 

Yes, you can use a five or ten round AK mag and not have to worry about 922r as long as you dont convert anything else. they are both inported mags, it makes no differance. You can add a feedramp without worry, but as soon as you click in a mag over 10 rounds it is "non sporting" and must comply to 922r.

 

You can add inported parts to your rifle as long as they dont make it "non sporting". I do not think that muzzle devices count against this, but you may want to double check that. Buttstocks and handguards do not hurt as long as they are in the "hunting" configuration. If you convert to a "non sporting" style rifle, every inported part you add counts against 922r and every US made part that you add, that does not replace another part, does not count at all.

 

Let me try to clarify that.

 

If I take away my Saiga's hammer, trigger and disconnector. And also the buttstock. That makes 4 parts off the list. I will be safe and take away the magazine follower too. Thats 5. Now I replace all of these parts with US made parts. I am now legal. Now if I add a Yugoslovian muzzle break, my part count goes from a legal 9 to the limit 10 inported parts on the list. But if I use a US made muzzle break, It does not count at all. It does not count toward a US made part from the list because the Saiga never had one to begin with, but if I use an inported one, it will count against the number just because it is on the list.

 

I hope this helps.

[uzitiger 193]

This USC 18 section 922r needs to be repealed so it doesn't make felons out of decent people who add accessories to their Saigas.

 

Where can I get AK floor plates made in the US which are marked US?

 

[TWGLADF 0]

i totally agree uzitiger!

 

like a criminal is going to take the time to worry about any 922r shit.

 

all it is to make us common folk "avoid the hassle" and buy a different kind of gun.

 

pistonring

 

why would adding a foreign muzzle attachment count against you but adding a u.s. attachment not count at all.

 

if it's on the list and counts as an evil feature then no matter if it's foreign or domestic, it should count either for or against your parts count.

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

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why would adding a foreign muzzle attachment count against you but adding a u.s. attachment not count at all.

 

if it's on the list and counts as an evil feature then no matter if it's foreign or domestic, it should count either for or against your parts count.

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From what I have heard if you add a brake to a rifle that was not imported with one you are still ok as long as it is US made. (such as the pin on 74' style) The law states that "No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed"...

By adding a foreign brake or supressor your count goes up one but not if it is US made.

You can add any US made part you want as long as the rifle does not end up with more than 10 foriegn parts.

[cvasqu03 21]

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why would adding a foreign muzzle attachment count against you but adding a u.s. attachment not count at all.

 

if it's on the list and counts as an evil feature then no matter if it's foreign or domestic, it should count either for or against your parts count.

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From what I have heard if you add a brake to a rifle that was not imported with one you are still ok as long as it is US made. (such as the pin on 74' style) The law states that "No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed"...

By adding a foreign brake or supressor your count goes up one but not if it is US made.

You can add any US made part you want as long as the rifle does not end up with more than 10 foriegn parts.

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10 foreign parts form the list of 20 that is.

Edited June 13, 2005 by cvasqu03

[oak 3]

This USC 18 section 922r needs to be repealed so it doesn't make felons out of decent people who add accessories to their Saigas. 

 

Where can I get AK floor plates made in the US which are marked US?

 

   

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You can get AK floor plates stamped with USA rom RPB Industries. Sets of 10 with follower (not marked but they say that they are made in the us) for $10.

[ProgCoder 0]

You can get AK floor plates stamped with USA rom RPB Industries. Sets of 10 with follower (not marked but they say that they are made in the us) for $10.

 

Oak,

 

Please provide the link to RPB Industries.

[oak 3]

You can get AK floor plates stamped with USA rom RPB Industries. Sets of 10 with follower (not marked but they say that they are made in the us) for $10.

 

Oak,

 

Please provide the link to RPB Industries.

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For some reason I can't find their wed site. RPB Industries is located in Georgia and I think their phone # is 404-297-0907.

[emclean 0]

to add to pistonring8's explanation, your state might have addinatinal laws you need to deal with also.

[vjor 2]

rpb usa 1-800-858-0809 no more web page but they still in busines

[oak 3]

Thanks Vjor.

[vjor 2]

[TWGLADF 0]

ok i know about all the 922r laws and crap but this i don't understand.

 

muzzle brake is on the list.

 

pistol grip is on the list.

 

the saiga has neither one.

 

you add a u.s. brake but it doesn't count.

 

you add a u.s. pistol grip and it does count.

 

one word for that, CONTRADICTION.

 

if it's on the list as a part then it should count either for=u.s. or against=foreign.

 

you add a u.s. brake thats + one part.

 

you add a foreign brake thats - one part.

 

you add a u.s. pistol grip thats + one part.

 

you add a foreign pistol grip thats - one part.

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

I hear ya man. The whole damned 922r thing is contradiction. Take a Mak 90 with a thumbhole stock. Pull the butthole off and put a chinese stock and PG on it. Now you are non compliant. You replace the gas piston and FCG with a Tapco one and still you have a felony on your hands. So then you spend one dollar and get a US follower and floorplate for your only magazine. Suddenly everything's all fine and peachy and your 100% legal. Still it's pretty much the same gun. This is what I did. Then I went round and round with the guys on gunsnet and assaultweb asking the same question you are asking because I had this U.S. pin on 74" brake I wanted to put on. From all the intelligent responses I got they said if it was a US made brake it was ok. Maybe because it was a pin on and not threaded? I don't understand it either but then who the hell does? If you get a clear answer anywhere please let me know. You may ask what this has to do with the Saiga 7.62. My Mak also was imported without a PG or a brake and no threads.

Unless you want to talk about some serious contradiction where they consider a thumbhole stock the same as a PG if you are converting the rifle, even though it was ok to import these monstrocities to get by 922r.

Anyone else want to take a stab at this?

[IndyArms 10,186]

ACK!!! PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!

 

NO MORE 922R!!!!! AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!

 

 

AAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

( LOL)

 

 

[vjor 2]

In few look at your gun at it is, think of the parts that made it,

well all are imported parts were the gun was made, well to

put a pistol grip on it and use 20, 30 mags it have to be made

of 10 imported parts or less, that makes the gun, made in America.

 

That means than to be compliant the gun have to be made with

10 or less imported parts no matter what, in few change parts

on the gun it self for American made parts and you will be ok

to use 20 to 75 round mags and anything else that you want to

use on the gun.

 

Find a list of parts that have to compliant on gun or imported gun

mark the parts that your gun have on the list and change the must parts

you can on the gun, and if after you finish you gun have 10 or less import parts

you are ok.

 

Must guys change fire control group, butt stock, handguard and piston

( that will take care of 6 parts on the gun it self ).

 

One more thing, like when some one changes the gas block and

front sight block for ak74 imported, you can do that as long

other part of the gun have been change to American parts and the

gun is under 10 or less imported parts, the thing here is to

be under the 10 or less imported parts to be compliant all the time

as long as you gun is compliant you can do what ever you want

with it.

[jon elia 0]

pistonring...here you go the saiga has 14 parts if you put on a us made brake it does make the parts count go up one but it is canceled out because it is us made...so you still have 14 foriegn parts....now when you add a us made p grip on top of that it makes the parts count go up to 16 but also leaves the imported parts # at 14 still...then you have to use enough us parts on the list to drop the number to 10 or less...the reason they say it doesn't count is because of the fact that its us made and also remember the secret phrase...2 or more....