TedG954 0 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) With the addition of Eastern-block surplus AK mags, my rifle is now out of compliance. With the ProMags, I was IN compliance. Now, I'll have to add another part. My choices are between replacing the forearm, or the gas piston. I actually like the Saiga forearm. I think it's modern looking, and provides a more snag-free front end. I guess I'll go with a new piston. Any suggestions? Edited June 10, 2009 by TedG954 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Tapco has a new style forearm. Clicks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cellsworth 21 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 As Nalioth noted, Tapco has a new forearm for Saigas, and if you want it to be more "snag-free" you can leave off the rail sections. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fxhart 14 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 With the addition of Eastern-block surplus AK mags, my rifle is now out of compliance. With the ProMags, I was IN compliance. Now, I'll have to add another part. My choices are between replacing the forearm, or the gas piston. I actually like the Saiga forearm. I think it's modern looking, and provides a more snag-free front end. I guess I'll go with a new piston. Any suggestions? I really like the SGM Tactical forearm's. They relatively inexpensive (compared to metal one's anyway), look good, are light weight and lock up tight. I just ordered another one for my .308 about an hour ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) The piston is the cheapest solution.Be sure to choose chromoly and not stainless for real longevity and if you can find a high polished chrome plated piston then it will be so much easier to clean as well. Edited June 10, 2009 by SOPMOD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
555JM 10 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I really like the SGM Tactical forearm's. They relatively inexpensive (compared to metal one's anyway), look good, are light weight and lock up tight. I just ordered another one for my .308 about an hour ago. +1 on the SGM Tactical forearm (AKA the Surefire Tri-rail). Swapping forearms is as easy as falling off a log. You do lose the sling swivel attachment point, though. I too like the factory forearm but, with no rails, there's no place to hang goodies. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 The piston is the cheapest solution.Be sure to choose chromoly and not stainless for real longevity and if you can find a high polished chrome plated piston then it will be so much easier to clean as well. Please provide a URL for such wonderful object that is made in the USA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chupa 34 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 +3 for the SGM handguard. Fits perfectly, can handle whatever you need on it and is no way "obese" looking on the rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoopster50 0 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I wonder if the factory sling swivel can be attached to that new Handguard. Seems like an oversight on Tapco's part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 If I take the front hanguard and modify it myself, would it now be consiidered "made in America"? Base part was made in Europe, I just finished it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 If I take the front hanguard and modify it myself, would it now be consiidered "made in America"? Base part was made in Europe, I just finished it. No. The revenuers have decreed that the "function" must change type to be considered "US made". IOW, you can make US made pistol grips out of a Romanian butt stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TedG954 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Tapco has a new style forearm. Clicks I installed the Intrafuse handguard and I'm very pleased with the fit and finish. $45 at DPH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Tapco has pistons, http://www.tapco.com/catalog.aspx?id=312 for 14.99 and they also have several forearms. QUESTION: That Intrafuse T6 stock on that page, listed for $69.99, would it qualify for replacement of 1 part? IOW, if I get the T6 collapsible stock, and use it along with my 3 part SureFire 30 rd magazine would that be in compliance? It looks like this one does not require any modifications of the fire control group, just bolt it on. Advantages in having the pistol grip and trigger moved a bit more forward, near the magazine latch? Do they make a simply drop in style FCG that you just modify the receiver to fit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cma g21 3 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) With the addition of Eastern-block surplus AK mags, my rifle is now out of compliance. With the ProMags, I was IN compliance. Now, I'll have to add another part. My choices are between replacing the forearm, or the gas piston. I actually like the Saiga forearm. I think it's modern looking, and provides a more snag-free front end. I guess I'll go with a new piston. Any suggestions? Just curious, but isn't that a K-Var butt stock? If it is, and you used a US FCG to do the conversion, wouldn't you already be compliant (14 - 1 {stock} - 3 {FCG} = 10 {compliant})? Edited June 23, 2009 by cma g21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 With the addition of Eastern-block surplus AK mags, my rifle is now out of compliance. With the ProMags, I was IN compliance. Now, I'll have to add another part. My choices are between replacing the forearm, or the gas piston. I actually like the Saiga forearm. I think it's modern looking, and provides a more snag-free front end. I guess I'll go with a new piston. Any suggestions? Just curious, but isn't that a K-Var butt stock? If it is, and you used a US FCG to do the conversion, wouldn't you already be compliant (14 - 1 {stock} - 3 {FCG} = 10 {compliant})? No, because a 15th countable part was added - the pistol grip. 5 US parts are needed on that rifle. The US made pistol grip is one of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cma g21 3 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) With the addition of Eastern-block surplus AK mags, my rifle is now out of compliance. With the ProMags, I was IN compliance. Now, I'll have to add another part. My choices are between replacing the forearm, or the gas piston. I actually like the Saiga forearm. I think it's modern looking, and provides a more snag-free front end. I guess I'll go with a new piston. Any suggestions? Just curious, but isn't that a K-Var butt stock? If it is, and you used a US FCG to do the conversion, wouldn't you already be compliant (14 - 1 {stock} - 3 {FCG} = 10 {compliant})? No, because a 15th countable part was added - the pistol grip. 5 US parts are needed on that rifle. The US made pistol grip is one of them. So, if the pistol grip is US made, wouldn't it just be 15 - 1 {stock} - 3 {FCG} -1 {pistol grip} = 10 {compliant}? . Edited June 24, 2009 by cma g21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 With the addition of Eastern-block surplus AK mags, my rifle is now out of compliance. With the ProMags, I was IN compliance. Now, I'll have to add another part. My choices are between replacing the forearm, or the gas piston. I actually like the Saiga forearm. I think it's modern looking, and provides a more snag-free front end. I guess I'll go with a new piston. Any suggestions? Just curious, but isn't that a K-Var butt stock? If it is, and you used a US FCG to do the conversion, wouldn't you already be compliant (14 - 1 {stock} - 3 {FCG} = 10 {compliant})? No, because a 15th countable part was added - the pistol grip. 5 US parts are needed on that rifle. The US made pistol grip is one of them. So, if the pistol grip is US made, wouldn't it just be 15 - 1 {stock} - 3 {FCG} -1 {pistol grip} = 10 {compliant}? Your math skills are adequate for this task Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 But...... isn't the pistol grip considered an "add on" part and creates a negative aginst the compliance, regardless of whether it is made in US or not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cma g21 3 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) But...... isn't the pistol grip considered an "add on" part and creates a negative aginst the compliance, regardless of whether it is made in US or not? No, it's a 'negative' (in regards to 922r parts count) only if it's foreign. 922r limits the number of listed foreign parts (10 or fewer). If you add a U.S. made pistol grip, it has no effect on the number of foreign parts. However, adding a foreign pistol grip (a listed part) would increase the number of listed foreign parts by one. . Edited June 24, 2009 by cma g21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h0pper 0 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 But...... isn't the pistol grip considered an "add on" part and creates a negative aginst the compliance, regardless of whether it is made in US or not? No, it's a 'negative' (in regards to 922r parts count) only if it's foreign. 922r limits the number of listed foreign parts (10 or fewer). If you add a U.S. made pistol grip, it has no effect on the number of foreign parts. However, adding a foreign pistol grip (a listed part) would increase the number of listed foreign parts by one. . i get confused when people start referring to how many US parts they need on this rifle or that. i was lead to believe its not about having to few US parts, its about having too many many foreign parts, and as long as the foreign parts count is 10 or fewer youre ok. would this be correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 i get confused when people start referring to how many US parts they need on this rifle or that. i was lead to believe its not about having to few US parts, its about having too many many foreign parts, and as long as the foreign parts count is 10 or fewer youre ok. would this be correct? You are correct. However, you'll always have "glass half full" and "glass half empty" folks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
concretus 0 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 You are correct. However, you'll always have "glass half full" and "glass half empty" folks. +1 to nalioth; I installed both handguard and gas piston. If I put a bullet guide in to use imported mags, I'm still good to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 i get confused when people start referring to how many US parts they need on this rifle or that. i was lead to believe its not about having to few US parts, its about having too many many foreign parts, and as long as the foreign parts count is 10 or fewer youre ok. would this be correct? I never think of how many parts I need, especially when talking about Saiga shotguns, since the older ones have a welded on brake. I think, "Strip rifle down to 10-or-fewer foreign parts, then rebuild the firearm using US made parts." I find a lot of confusion comes from this, many people post "How many parts do I need to add?"... well, if you're starting with a firearm with 15 Russian parts, you'll need to first subtract at least 5 then add 5 My glass doesn't need to be half full or half empty, as long as there is 10 or fewer Russian parts in it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h0pper 0 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 sweet. thanks guys. also just got my first saiga (7.62x39), and doing my first conversion in the next couple days. wish me luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikebaker1129 19 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 If you use Bulgy waffle mags in either 5.56, or 7.62X39 or even the German or Bulgy mags in 5.45 a U.S. floorplate is a easy,cheap part to replace that will have little effect on function . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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