GunRunna47 7 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 im sure theres been talk on here about the ATI safir t-14 .410 ar-15 shotgun now whos played with them?? now almost any dealer can get them now theres a few on GB as well http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130893938 whats the progress??? reliable, ar quality, what....they look pretty kool and my dealer can hook me up for 750! not a fan of .410 or ar's but how many times are u gunna see an ar shotgun wish they made one in 12 i also heard either ruger or remington is making a semi-mag feed shotty i'm guessing its gunna be ar-clone that should be sweet so whos gunna give good feedback on them and not diss them without even shooting them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voonman 133 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 There was a topic discussed on this type of rifle a few times on this forum...here is one of them http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...p;hl=safir+arms My friend owns one of these rifles..He said so far its been good not very many FTEs on it..He only wished they made it in a flat top...But the gun itself comes with a 5round mag..and i believe the importer will be getting 15 rounders soon to be sold to the public....The gun can also be modified by changing the handguard to a quad rail and also able to use a collapsable stock..Its something diffrent that you dont see every day.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) A sensitive gas action married to dirty shotgun shells? Traditional Turkish "quality and craftsmanship?" All that tied to a round that is very marginal for personal defense! I like ARs and I'll pass. Edited June 13, 2009 by Azrial 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Gas action would be something to think about, little much for an oddity. Got a friend into collecting .410s. He has been wanting one. See how it works out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) A sensitive gas action married to dirty shotgun shells? Traditional Turkish "quality and craftsmanship?" All that tied to a round that is very marginal for personal defense! I like ARs and I'll pass. I own a Verona shotgun which I thought was Italian but it's made in Turkey. The quality is decent but the recoils is stout for a semi auto, a lot more than the SKB semi auto I used to own/ I got it because the Saigas were not available at the time. The Saiga recoil is a lot less than the Verona. While I would prefer a 12 or 20 guage shotgun the Russian Spetnaz use .410 Saiga shotguns. I found their web page and saw the gas system which is similar to my Verona with a gas ring with the mainspring in the front hand guard which may allow installing a folding stock if the bolt does not travel into the butt stock. They have a cleaning video where a technician cleans the shotgun and take it apart. They show most of the AR-15 parts except for the gas system. http://www.safirarms.com/eng.html It would be nice to see a 12 or 20 gauge version built on an AR-10 lower. Edited June 13, 2009 by uzitiger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I saw one at a gun shop in VA, the proprietor chucked and said, "Good luck finding 2½-inch .410 shells for that thing." Kind of funny when the proprietor of a gun shop dissuades you from buying one of his products. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 A sensitive gas action married to dirty shotgun shells? Traditional Turkish "quality and craftsmanship?" All that tied to a round that is very marginal for personal defense! I like ARs and I'll pass. I own a Verona shotgun which I thought was Italian but it's made in Turkey. The quality is decent but the recoils is stout for a semi auto, a lot more than the SKB semi auto I used to own/ I got it because the Saigas were not available at the time. The Saiga recoil is a lot less than the Verona. Is this ATI shotgun gas piston driven or direct impingement? Do they make a 12 or 20 gauge AR style shotgun as well? I actually saw one of these Verona shotguns not long back and though that it looked like a decent firearm. However I have seen the inside or one being fired. It looked like an interesting piece! However, I have seen some really crude stuff come out of Turkey. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WGMann 0 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I saw one at a gun shop in VA, the proprietor chucked and said, "Good luck finding 2½-inch .410 shells for that thing." Kind of funny when the proprietor of a gun shop dissuades you from buying one of his products. They only take 2 1/2 inch shells? Why would anyone want one with saiga making a .,410 thats cheeper (in price) and takes 3 inch shells with a better gas system? Now if some American manufacture was to come out with a .410 AR upper I might be interested. It would end up expensive after you changed to a piston gas system and even then it would have to take 3 inch shells. Maybe that isn't possible without cutting up the lower some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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