vintagedude88 16 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Just saw the Atlantic Firearms banner so I took a look at it and saw this: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct423.aspx 100% made in Russia at the Izmash factory. How is this possible? I thought regardless of whatever state you live in, these guns have to be imported to the U.S. in "sporter" configuration. Are these being imported by someone other than RAAC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 WEll it's obviously got an Ace folder on it, the grip is US made, and the FCG make up the other 3 parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kriegerwithin 0 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 No where in the weapon's description does it say, "100% made in Russia at the Izmash factory." It's obviously, a S12 that has been converted over to a PG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) No where in the weapon's description does it say, "100% made in Russia at the Izmash factory." It's obviously, a S12 that has been converted over to a PG. Okay, they didn't say it was 100% Izmash but they also didn't say that "they" or "someone" converted the gun either. Let alone "who" converted it and with all the necessary compliant parts. This definitely in the "grey" area. So is RAAC now pumping out "converted" guns? Edited June 30, 2009 by FrustratedInCali Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) It isn't in a 'gray area,' and RAAC isn't making them. I think those might have been made by a company called "In Range," but I'm not sure. I know I've seen some In Range S12's on Atlantic Arms before. Edited June 30, 2009 by elvis christ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Not like you could own that in Commiefornia anyway LOL Definitely a conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Okay, they didn't say it was 100% Izmash but they also didn't say that "they" or "someone" converted the gun either. Let alone "who" converted it and with all the necessary compliant parts. This definitely in the "grey" area. So is RAAC now pumping out "converted" guns? No. AA is selling converted S-12s that were converted right here in the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Not like you could own that in Commiefornia anyway LOL Definitely a conversion. Not with the folder AND pistol grip.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Kinda be pointless to have a folder without a pistol grip, huh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 OK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
choobie 5 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 WEll it's obviously got an Ace folder on it, the grip is US made, and the FCG make up the other 3 parts. Doesn't that just make 5 parts? I thought that 6 US parts is necessary when you have a removable muzzle brake??? The choke on this Saiga pictured is original Russian, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Doesn't that just make 5 parts? I thought that 6 US parts is necessary when you have a removable muzzle brake??? The choke on this Saiga pictured is original Russian, no? Instead of asking us all the questions, why don't you call the dealer and bug them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jasecloud4 2 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 WEll it's obviously got an Ace folder on it, the grip is US made, and the FCG make up the other 3 parts. Doesn't that just make 5 parts? I thought that 6 US parts is necessary when you have a removable muzzle brake??? The choke on this Saiga pictured is original Russian, no? Could ship with American mags, plus we can't see if it is using an US gas piston; could be perfectly compliant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 WEll it's obviously got an Ace folder on it, the grip is US made, and the FCG make up the other 3 parts. Doesn't that just make 5 parts? I thought that 6 US parts is necessary when you have a removable muzzle brake??? The choke on this Saiga pictured is original Russian, no? Could ship with American mags, plus we can't see if it is using an US gas piston; could be perfectly compliant. Add in the fact that Saiga shotguns start with either 14 or 13 "counted" parts. You only need to swap out, at the least, 4. Not 6. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Doesn't that just make 5 parts? I thought that 6 US parts is necessary when you have a removable muzzle brake??? The choke on this Saiga pictured is original Russian, no? Instead of asking us all the questions, why don't you call the dealer and bug them? :lolol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 You should contact us directly with any questions, of course we only sell legal items and would not risk jail time or Bunk Time with Bubba & Tyronne !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 FYI next week we will be offering CA Legal Saiga 12 Shotguns with the bullet Button Installed !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 FYI next week we will be offering CA Legal Saiga 12 Shotguns with the bullet Button Installed !! But how is it possible to shoot a button on your gun with a bullet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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