IndyArms 10,186 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 SO to all you 12 gauge reloading guys out there... Lets say I want to buy a package of ball bearings the kind they sell for slingshot ammo... and load up some "buckshot" loads for the 12 gauge... First of all... I would probably want to use STEEL SHOT load data, for starters, dont ya think? I would also want to weigh out the pellets to find the perfect number for the perfect shot weight... ( 1 3/8th oz, 1 1/2 oz, 1 5/8th oz, etc...) With that all in mind... would I want to use buffer? would I just treat this as a "steel shot" round and go with it?!? I would think buffer would be a plus to keep the balls in place, if they were to be arranged geometrically in the shell... but then again, if theres the correct amount, the crimp should hold them snug... Anyways... I am just thinking about it, and would like some input as to whether you would, you wouldn't, or HOLY FUCK! you moron!! NO freakin WAY should you do that?!?!? Oh... The point??? No real point... other than to say " these are such and such a load... " Maybe shoot them at targets for effect... I am NOT planning them for hunting or HD loads... Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glockmonger 18 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I have done it. I used a standard wad. I used a friends loader (I don't have one yet). He set the powder measure the same way he did for 1.8oz shoot at 1300fps. I used his scale to get almost 1.25oz of steel (one more is over, one less was boring). It was cool to see at night...SPARKIES Right now I am working on a one solid steel ball (from a CV axle) round. The first one was boring. I really need to get a reloader, scale and, and, and , and Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 shotshells are very forgiving, i would just try and load them up, and if it looks like just a crimp will do it, then you have it. Id love to get a shotshell loading press, theres tons of fun things that seem to fit just about perfectly in those hulls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I can tell you, 12 dimes will fit nice. Short range ammo, but devastating results, almost scary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glockmonger 18 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I can tell you, 12 dimes will fit nice. Short range ammo, but devastating results, almost scary. VERY SHORT RANGE. Dimes are sloppy and light for their size, They have a serious lack of penatration. They sound cool in flight though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo1889 1 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Wouldn't shot bridging be solved by any shot cup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Steel = ricochet. Large and uniform steel = powerful, efficient ricochet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'd agree it's fun to try and cook up new loadings, but steel is not an ideal projectile material. Steel shot only exists to keep lead out of wetlands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Per dimes, check this one... The Box O' Truth #35 - A Load of Dimes Vs. The Box O' Truth http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot35.htm I think flechettes would be fun to experiment with, you can buy them by the pound on eBay for less than 20 bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/FLECHETTES-1-1-POUND-P...p3286.m20.l1116 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Sounds like a good load for giant mutant geese. But seriously, buckshot works best with lead balls. Steel is a poor substitute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 dude watch it with ricochets on those things. this aint your BB gun and rocks or walls. you should load up some flechette loads for turkey season.....tomtom goes a gobblin behind the bush and wont come back out? (and you SAW it was a turkey and not another hunter) BLAM!!! I cant have those type of rounds down here in the south. they are too harmful and dangerous for us slaves to the system. Its too bad, Id like to dump a mag full of them into the woods, and see how clean a hole and how deep I can cut it in the woods/weeds down here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 dude watch it with ricochets on those things. this aint your BB gun and rocks or walls. you should load up some flechette loads for turkey season.....tomtom goes a gobblin behind the bush and wont come back out? (and you SAW it was a turkey and not another hunter) BLAM!!! I cant have those type of rounds down here in the south. they are too harmful and dangerous for us slaves to the system. Its too bad, Id like to dump a mag full of them into the woods, and see how clean a hole and how deep I can cut it in the woods/weeds down here Not something I'd make.. But when was the last time someone opened up your reloads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glockmonger 18 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I found that flechettes suck worse then dimes, and that was at an even closer distance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 they arent much good for point-blank or long range use, ill admit that...they do zip right on through brush like it aint there though.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glockmonger 18 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I would like to see a buck & ball load that is worth a shit. Like a 3/4 or 7/8 oz foster over some buck like 00 or 000, but would be happy with 0 or 4 in there too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 When I was younger I opened up a magnum 3" 12 gauge load and added ball bearings. Cleaning the barrel after I shot it I indeed did damage to the forcing cone, sending 3 valleys through it but thankfully not ruining it all together. Not worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Cleaning the barrel after I shot it I indeed did damage to the forcing cone, sending 3 valleys through it but thankfully not ruining it all together. Not worth it. That's pretty much one of the MAIN things I was wondering... and thats good to know... NO ball bearings for me, then... Thanks!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yeah bud, you're not going to find something better for shooting until they invent something heavier and cheaper than lead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Its not a matter of "better" but more of the fact I can buy the slingshot ammo ANYWHERE... and it might make for "interesting" loads if it was worth shooting... not that it would be the "next level" of shotgun ammo... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doubledown 0 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I would like to see a buck & ball load that is worth a shit. Like a 3/4 or 7/8 oz foster over some buck like 00 or 000, but would be happy with 0 or 4 in there too. Glockmonger are you familiar with theses guys, they make some nasty stuff. http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lvjeffro 30 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I sure hope the gubment doesn't see the box o truth or he might get arrested for destruction of gubment property... Because there is nothing more pressing in todays issues than arresting and convicting someone of ruining some dimes... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 (edited) I think that it would be hard to really get much of an armor piercing effect with shot, maybe slugs. However, I have an idea for a shell loaded with Lithium pellets that might be interesting. It would be like a tracer, except it would light up after it hit and let you track your target... Edited August 31, 2009 by Azrial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dngrspot 3 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 It would be interesting to see something like a Kinetic Energy round scaled down to fit a 12ga 3in shell, and make the projectile out of say... Tungsten. Design could be similar to this: An would work on this concept: Not sure about the legality of it (and I would not try it if it was illegal), but heck, it would be cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
usamark 1 Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Seven 69 grn 5.56 projo's fit neatly into a 12 Ga hull. Makes a 1 1/8 oz load....just say'in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7.62smith 1 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 "Seven 69 grn 5.56 projo's fit neatly into a 12 Ga hull. Makes a 1 1/8 oz load....just say'in." I have heard stories of the government making shells that contained stacks of rifle rounds like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Kelly 0 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 SO to all you 12 gauge reloading guys out there... Lets say I want to buy a package of ball bearings the kind they sell for slingshot ammo... and load up some "buckshot" loads for the 12 gauge... First of all... I would probably want to use STEEL SHOT load data, for starters, dont ya think? I would also want to weigh out the pellets to find the perfect number for the perfect shot weight... ( 1 3/8th oz, 1 1/2 oz, 1 5/8th oz, etc...) With that all in mind... would I want to use buffer? would I just treat this as a "steel shot" round and go with it?!? I would think buffer would be a plus to keep the balls in place, if they were to be arranged geometrically in the shell... but then again, if theres the correct amount, the crimp should hold them snug... Anyways... I am just thinking about it, and would like some input as to whether you would, you wouldn't, or HOLY FUCK! you moron!! NO freakin WAY should you do that?!?!? Oh... The point??? No real point... other than to say " these are such and such a load... " Maybe shoot them at targets for effect... I am NOT planning them for hunting or HD loads... Thanks! Well, golly gee, I dun it n definatly do not reccomend it. Had this, clever thought, Penetration. Went to a beaaring shop n selected thru the loose balls. Found the purfect size, laid them into WW AA wad n case, jus, sooo nice. Layered um on up ta jis leaving a crimp space. Bought a bag fulla bearings n headed home ta, load um up. Finished, they were soo wunderful. Went out ta shoot these pups. Patterned great, good range, boy, waz I smert. Went ta clean da Ithica 37 and, Oops. Ugh Oh !!! The firing chamber, wuz all dented from steel balls. Bought another barrel n forgot steel shot. Had similar experience with flachettes n they scratch up the whole barrel length. Never found a wadcup they would not tear thru or a base wad they would not blow thru the side. Leads good stuuff. Anyone need about a foot sqaure boxa flachettes ? ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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