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Looking for a source for Saiga x39 bolts parts, firing pin, bolts kits, complete bolts.

I think the AK74 bolt is similar enough for firing pin but not a direct replacement for entire bolt. Not having a lot of luck so far.

 

Any one know for certain if AK74 firing pin is a replacement?

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This post was put up before and nobody (including the sponsors) have any ideas for a DROP-IN replacement.??

 

Someone/Anyone????

 

Spare parts are good to have. Bolt, firing pin, extractor, recoil springs, etc....

 

I have been on this same hunt for several months also .... and have found a local gun shop that is able to make springs. As far as any thing else Several PM have mentioned that AK74 parts will interchange but I have not found any in the Northeast Illinois/Indiana area. I know that the Saiga X39 FP is longer than standard FP and the Extractor is different also. I have even tried the Ace Hardware route and located several similiar springs, but the gun shop elimated that need for me.

I have drawings in with Numrich Gun Parts and they are trying to assist me with FP's so we shall see what they can do.

I was able to get 3 complete bolt assembly's for my S-12 in this hunt and extra FP's but the X39 is still a mystery.

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Went through this myself a few months with a 7.62 x 39 Saiga. I'll try to remember what I did.

 

First of all, at that time I was unable to find a source for Saiga bolts or bolt parts (extractors, springs, firing pins). My focus was on bolt parts because I think bolt parts are more likely to break than the bolt itself.

 

As I recall, a standard 7.62 x 39 AK firing pin wouldn't fit in a Saiga bolt at all. A 5.45 x 39 does fit in the Saiga bolt, but the tip is smaller, which makes sense for the smaller 5.45 primer.

 

Saiga extractors are type 2 extractors (looks like a claw). The standard 7.62 x 39 extractor is a type 1 extractor (looks more like a cylinder). The problem is finding a type 2 extractor in 7.62 x 39. I did install a type 2 5.45 extractor in an AK bolt. Because it was designed for a smaller diameter cartridge, the 5.45 extractor has a tighter arc (radius) than a 7.62 extractor.

 

I installed the 5.45 extractor and firing pin in a Saiga bolt. I've fed dummy rounds manually through that rifle. The rounds fed and extracted OK. The cartridge rims did look a little more chewed up, but with steel cased ammo it isn't a concern. I also test fired 7.62 x 39 cartridges (no bullet or powder, just the primer). The dents in the primers were a little different than with a 7.62 firing pin, but no ruptured primers. I haven't fired live rounds in the gun yet and may not.

 

The question in my mind was "If spare Saiga bolt parts are unavailable, what are people using to replace broken parts?" After all, there must be thousands of Saiga's in this country. I think the answer was in a posting by T. Mark Graham (the "gunplumber"). He said that of the thousands of AKs that have passed through his hands over the years, he was seen exactly one failed extractor. This is surprising in light of the fact that lots of people take spare bolt parts to two day AR classes.

 

But, AKs just don't seem to break many parts. I guess that would especially be true of new Russian AKs like Saiga's.

 

I do have some Saiga spare parts from items left over from conversions (furniture, gas tubes, trigger parts, front sight blocks), but no bolt or bolt carrier parts. I also bought a used 7.62 x 39 Saiga with a 20" barrel for $225 that I would be willing to canabalize if needed.

 

I would be interested to know if anyone has a source for Saiga bolt parts. Maybe a source has appeared recently. Anyone?

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A 5.45 x 39 does fit in the Saiga bolt, but the tip is smaller, which makes sense for the smaller 5.45 primer.

 

Saiga extractors are type 2 extractors (looks like a claw). The standard 7.62 x 39 extractor is a type 1 extractor (looks more like a cylinder). The problem is finding a type 2 extractor in 7.62 x 39. I did install a type 2 5.45 extractor in an AK bolt. Because it was designed for a smaller diameter cartridge, the 5.45 extractor has a tighter arc (radius) than a 7.62 extractor.

 

I installed the 5.45 extractor and firing pin in a Saiga bolt. I've fed dummy rounds manually through that rifle. The rounds fed and extracted OK. The cartridge rims did look a little more chewed up, but with steel cased ammo it isn't a concern. I also test fired 7.62 x 39 cartridges (no bullet or powder, just the primer). The dents in the primers were a little different than with a 7.62 firing pin, but no ruptured primers. I haven't fired live rounds in the gun yet and may not.

 

 

I compared the saiga factory firing pin with a surplus ak74 firing pin.

I couldn't see any real difference.

I inserted the surplus ak74 (5.45)firing pin in my saiga 7.62x39 bolt

and it fit perfect. I examined the pin protruding into the breach face

and it worked flawlessly. I left the surplus pin in my bolt and

and hammered the retaining pin, and it fit fine.

I am going to live fire my saiga with the replacement firing pin when I get

a chance next week. I doubt that it will pierce a primer even with a

smaller frontal contact surface, but I will check the primers from the fired cases.

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Has anyone contacted Cadiz Gun Works about parts? CGW is the only official in-country warranty shop, so I imagine they have or can get any part you want...

I have e-mailed CGW twice in the past 3 months about S-12 and x39 parts and have never received a response!!

I also have a note into RAAC in Scottsburg for some parts so we will see who responds......

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Has anyone contacted Cadiz Gun Works about parts? CGW is the only official in-country warranty shop, so I imagine they have or can get any part you want...

I have e-mailed CGW twice in the past 3 months about S-12 and x39 parts and have never received a response!!

I also have a note into RAAC in Scottsburg for some parts so we will see who responds......

 

I emailed RAA a few time since last year about bolt parts. They are not going to get any imported

according to the reply I got a few times. They have been importing these guns since 2006

and never got parts for bolts. Eaa before them also did not did not get any according to their

customer service. Your best bet is adapting ak74 surplus parts. I'm pretty sure the saiga extractor spring

does interchange with the surplus 7.62x39 extractor springs, but the extractor itself requires a

ak74 type.

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Are AK74 extractors through hardened or case hardened?If they are through hardened we could have a tool grinder recontour them carefully without screwing up the hardness/heat treatment but at this point I am really interested in complete bolt heads with firing pin,extractor and spring to the point where it has become the only glaring issue that I can find with a converted Saiga as a long haul fighting weapon.

 

We need complete bolts and bolt parts,they make them in Russia,someone needs to buy a crate of them and make them available to us.

 

Or maybe we could buy them from Venezuela now that Chavez has his own Izhmash licensed AK factory?

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I've fed dummy rounds manually through that rifle. The rounds fed and extracted OK. The cartridge rims did look a little more chewed up, but with steel cased ammo it isn't a concern.

The 7.62x39 has a rim diameter of 11.35mm and a rim recess of 9.56mm

The 5.45x39 has a rim diameter of 10mm and a rim recess of 8.60mm

The ak74 extractor claw is about 1mm too deep for the 7.62x39. A file can fix this

in just a few minutes.

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Are AK74 extractors through hardened or case hardened?If they are through hardened we could have a tool grinder recontour them carefully without screwing up the hardness/heat treatment but at this point I am really interested in complete bolt heads with firing pin,extractor and spring to the point where it has become the only glaring issue that I can find with a converted Saiga as a long haul fighting weapon.

 

We need complete bolts and bolt parts,they make them in Russia,someone needs to buy a crate of them and make them available to us.

 

Or maybe we could buy them from Venezuela now that Chavez has his own Izhmash licensed AK factory?

 

The extractor has a stressful task. I can't imagine mild low carbon steel being used.

I would think high carbon steel should be the material. Therefore, if so, through hardened.

A dremel might be just the thing to shave off 1mm of claw. Keeping the correct blade angle

on the shortened claw is important too.

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A 5.45 x 39 does fit in the Saiga bolt, but the tip is smaller, which makes sense for the smaller 5.45 primer.

 

Saiga extractors are type 2 extractors (looks like a claw). The standard 7.62 x 39 extractor is a type 1 extractor (looks more like a cylinder). The problem is finding a type 2 extractor in 7.62 x 39. I did install a type 2 5.45 extractor in an AK bolt. Because it was designed for a smaller diameter cartridge, the 5.45 extractor has a tighter arc (radius) than a 7.62 extractor.

 

I installed the 5.45 extractor and firing pin in a Saiga bolt. I've fed dummy rounds manually through that rifle. The rounds fed and extracted OK. The cartridge rims did look a little more chewed up, but with steel cased ammo it isn't a concern. I also test fired 7.62 x 39 cartridges (no bullet or powder, just the primer). The dents in the primers were a little different than with a 7.62 firing pin, but no ruptured primers. I haven't fired live rounds in the gun yet and may not.

 

 

I compared the saiga factory firing pin with a surplus ak74 firing pin.

I couldn't see any real difference.

I inserted the surplus ak74 (5.45)firing pin in my saiga 7.62x39 bolt

and it fit perfect. I examined the pin protruding into the breach face

and it worked flawlessly. I left the surplus pin in my bolt and

and hammered the retaining pin, and it fit fine.

I am going to live fire my saiga with the replacement firing pin when I get

a chance next week. I doubt that it will pierce a primer even with a

smaller frontal contact surface, but I will check the primers from the fired cases.

 

Your post made me curious so I got out my Saiga bolt with the AK-74 bolt parts installed. I compared it side by side with a stock Saiga bolt (I have several Saiga's in 7.62 x 39).

 

Not sure what you mean by "real differences", but when I compare the tip of the AK-74 firing pin with the Saiga firing pin, I would estimate that the tip of the Saiga firing pin has roughly twice the area of the tip of the AK-74 firing pin. The rear of the Saiga firing pin (where the hammer strikes it) is narrower, but thicker than my AK-74 firing pin, but both seem to fit in the bolt firing pin channel fine. I don't really think you can conclude that the AK-74 firing pin "works flawlessly" until you fire a bunch of rounds with it.

 

As I said in my previous post, I fired several primed cases (but no powder, no bullet) with the AK-74 firing pin and didn't see that any of the primers were pierced. However, the dents in the primers looked different (as you would expect with a firing pin with a different contour on the tip). The question in my mind is does the AK-74 firing pin create a thin spot in the 7.62 x 39 primers that would fail when subjected to the pressure from a live round with gunpowder in the case?

 

The other question I have is with regards to the AK-74 extractor. As I stated in my earlier post, it seems to extract fine when the action is cycled manually. How will it work during firing? The AK-74 extractor definitely has a tighter radius than the stock Saiga extractor designed for a 7.62 x 39 rim. Would the AK-74 extractor have the life of a 7.62 x 39 extractor? The 7.62 x 39 extractors seem to work forever.

 

Do you happen to have an AK-74 extractor that you could install in the Saiga bolt before you do any test firings? That way, you would be testing both critical bolt components - the firing pin and the extractor.

 

My guess is that the AK-74 firing pin and extractor WILL work in the Saiga bolt, but perhaps not as long as the correct bolt parts . But that's just my guess with no real science behind it. Firing a few rounds using a Saiga bolt with an AK-74 firing pin and extractor would be an interesting first step. Please report back after you've done your test firings. If you don't have an AK-74 extractor you can install in the Saiga bolt, maybe I'll work up the courage (or is it stupidity? :unsure: ) to fire mine.

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Or maybe we could buy them from Venezuela now that Chavez has his own Izhmash licensed AK factory?

 

Dear President Chavez,

 

Like many of my fellow Americans, I was deeply touched several years ago by your generous offer to provide heating oil at a discounted price to low income Americans. Many of us admire the wonderful worker's paradise that you have created in Venezuela. We long for the day when we can wear old clothes, ride bicycles, and stand in line for food.

 

I am writing to inform you of a desperate need in our country that you may not be aware of. Many of our citizens need spare parts for their Saiga "hunting rifles". Probably many of them plan to use their Saiga hunting rifles to secure meat for the coming winter. You can keep the heating oil, but we would greatly appreciate it if you could send a few thousand Saiga rifle bolts our way. Much to our surprise, apparently our Saiga hunting rifles share some parts with the evil AK military rifles that some of our more enlightened political leaders have warned us about.

 

Your technical advisors from the Izhmash arms factory in Russia should be able to provide you with the correct part number for the bolt for a 7.62 x 39 caliber Saiga rifle. Please make sure the bolts are fitted with firing pins and extractors.

 

PS: If you are unable to send us just the bolts, feel free to send us entire rifles. We will safely dispose of these dangerous and unnecessary weapons after we remove the bolts.

 

Thank you,

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Or maybe we could buy them from Venezuela now that Chavez has his own Izhmash licensed AK factory?

 

Dear President Chavez,

 

Like many of my fellow Americans, I was deeply touched several years ago by your generous offer to provide heating oil at a discounted price to low income Americans. Many of us admire the wonderful worker's paradise that you have created in Venezuela. We long for the day when we can wear old clothes, ride bicycles, and stand in line for food.

 

I am writing to inform you of a desperate need in our country that you may not be aware of. Many of our citizens need spare parts for their Saiga "hunting rifles". Probably many of them plan to use their Saiga hunting rifles to secure meat for the coming winter. You can keep the heating oil, but we would greatly appreciate it if you could send a few thousand Saiga rifle bolts our way. Much to our surprise, apparently our Saiga hunting rifles share some parts with the evil AK military rifles that some of our more enlightened political leaders have warned us about.

 

Your technical advisors from the Izhmash arms factory in Russia should be able to provide you with the correct part number for the bolt for a 7.62 x 39 caliber Saiga rifle. Please make sure the bolts are fitted with firing pins and extractors.

 

PS: If you are unable to send us just the bolts, feel free to send us entire rifles. We will safely dispose of these dangerous and unnecessary weapons after we remove the bolts.

 

Thank you,

Nicely done!

Let's ask them for SVDs as well, there is a real Socialist-type shortage of them here.

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A 5.45 x 39 does fit in the Saiga bolt, but the tip is smaller, which makes sense for the smaller 5.45 primer.

 

Saiga extractors are type 2 extractors (looks like a claw). The standard 7.62 x 39 extractor is a type 1 extractor (looks more like a cylinder). The problem is finding a type 2 extractor in 7.62 x 39. I did install a type 2 5.45 extractor in an AK bolt. Because it was designed for a smaller diameter cartridge, the 5.45 extractor has a tighter arc (radius) than a 7.62 extractor.

 

I installed the 5.45 extractor and firing pin in a Saiga bolt. I've fed dummy rounds manually through that rifle. The rounds fed and extracted OK. The cartridge rims did look a little more chewed up, but with steel cased ammo it isn't a concern. I also test fired 7.62 x 39 cartridges (no bullet or powder, just the primer). The dents in the primers were a little different than with a 7.62 firing pin, but no ruptured primers. I haven't fired live rounds in the gun yet and may not.

 

 

I compared the saiga factory firing pin with a surplus ak74 firing pin.

I couldn't see any real difference.

I inserted the surplus ak74 (5.45)firing pin in my saiga 7.62x39 bolt

and it fit perfect. I examined the pin protruding into the breach face

and it worked flawlessly. I left the surplus pin in my bolt and

and hammered the retaining pin, and it fit fine.

I am going to live fire my saiga with the replacement firing pin when I get

a chance next week. I doubt that it will pierce a primer even with a

smaller frontal contact surface, but I will check the primers from the fired cases.

 

Your post made me curious so I got out my Saiga bolt with the AK-74 bolt parts installed. I compared it side by side with a stock Saiga bolt (I have several Saiga's in 7.62 x 39).

 

Not sure what you mean by "real differences", but when I compare the tip of the AK-74 firing pin with the Saiga firing pin, I would estimate that the tip of the Saiga firing pin has roughly twice the area of the tip of the AK-74 firing pin. The rear of the Saiga firing pin (where the hammer strikes it) is narrower, but thicker than my AK-74 firing pin, but both seem to fit in the bolt firing pin channel fine. I don't really think you can conclude that the AK-74 firing pin "works flawlessly" until you fire a bunch of rounds with it.

 

As I said in my previous post, I fired several primed cases (but no powder, no bullet) with the AK-74 firing pin and didn't see that any of the primers were pierced. However, the dents in the primers looked different (as you would expect with a firing pin with a different contour on the tip). The question in my mind is does the AK-74 firing pin create a thin spot in the 7.62 x 39 primers that would fail when subjected to the pressure from a live round with gunpowder in the case?

 

The other question I have is with regards to the AK-74 extractor. As I stated in my earlier post, it seems to extract fine when the action is cycled manually. How will it work during firing? The AK-74 extractor definitely has a tighter radius than the stock Saiga extractor designed for a 7.62 x 39 rim. Would the AK-74 extractor have the life of a 7.62 x 39 extractor? The 7.62 x 39 extractors seem to work forever.

 

Do you happen to have an AK-74 extractor that you could install in the Saiga bolt before you do any test firings? That way, you would be testing both critical bolt components - the firing pin and the extractor.

 

My guess is that the AK-74 firing pin and extractor WILL work in the Saiga bolt, but perhaps not as long as the correct bolt parts . But that's just my guess with no real science behind it. Firing a few rounds using a Saiga bolt with an AK-74 firing pin and extractor would be an interesting first step. Please report back after you've done your test firings. If you don't have an AK-74 extractor you can install in the Saiga bolt, maybe I'll work up the courage (or is it stupidity? :unsure: ) to fire mine.

 

My ak74 pin I got from kvar looks just as wide in the rear when side by side. They are both the same length.

Looking a bit more closely at the frontal surface area the saiga one has more area.

I do have an ak74 extractor from Kvar but want to wait til I can shave off enough to test it.

 

Would the AK-74 extractor have the lifespan of a saiga 7.62 x 39 extractor?

They are made of the same steel and both calibers have a cyclic rate of 600 rpm.

I can't see how the military spec 74 extractors will wear out any sooner.

Shaving off the right amount from the 74 version should prevent the extra deforming

you experienced.

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Would the AK-74 extractor have the lifespan of a saiga 7.62 x 39 extractor?

They are made of the same steel and both calibers have a cyclic rate of 600 rpm.

I can't see how the military spec 74 extractors will wear out any sooner.

Shaving off the right amount from the 74 version should prevent the extra deforming

you experienced.

 

What I was thinking about is the fact that the AK-74 has a tighter arc (smaller radius) than the 7.62 x 39 extractor. In other words, the 7.62 x 39 extractor has the same arc as the recess in the 7.62 x 39 cartridge case. On the other hand, the AK-74 extractor has a different arc to match the 5.45 x 39 cartridge case. I think this causes the tips of the AK-74 extractor to dig into the 7.62 x 39 case while the middle of the AK-74 extractor would not be as snug against the 7.62 x 39 case. I believe this is the cause of the "chewed up" cartridge rims that I mentioned earlier when I manually fed 7.62 x 39 cases using the AK-74 extractor.

 

This dimensional mismatch definitely exists. Because the extractor material is so much harder than the mild steel or the brass of a cartridge case, it might make no difference even after many rounds. Especially, with an "overbuilt" extractor like an AK extractor. Or it might be one of those things like headspace where small differences make a big difference.

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What about just using a regular 7.62x39 bolt? Will it work with the Saiga bolt-carrier?

 

No. Its an ak 74 bolt in 7.62x39.

It uses an ak74 type extractor and firing pin.

 

 

 

A regular ak 47 7.62x39 type will not fit.

The size is different.

 

 

Ak 103 bolt (74 style in 7.62x39) might be exact but no one sells surplus

103 bolts that I know of. I am not sure if Kvar or anyone has ever sold them.

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Would the AK-74 extractor have the lifespan of a saiga 7.62 x 39 extractor?

They are made of the same steel and both calibers have a cyclic rate of 600 rpm.

I can't see how the military spec 74 extractors will wear out any sooner.

Shaving off the right amount from the 74 version should prevent the extra deforming

you experienced.

 

What I was thinking about is the fact that the AK-74 has a tighter arc (smaller radius) than the 7.62 x 39 extractor. In other words, the 7.62 x 39 extractor has the same arc as the recess in the 7.62 x 39 cartridge case. On the other hand, the AK-74 extractor has a different arc to match the 5.45 x 39 cartridge case. I think this causes the tips of the AK-74 extractor to dig into the 7.62 x 39 case while the middle of the AK-74 extractor would not be as snug against the 7.62 x 39 case. I believe this is the cause of the "chewed up" cartridge rims that I mentioned earlier when I manually fed 7.62 x 39 cases using the AK-74 extractor.

 

This dimensional mismatch definitely exists. Because the extractor material is so much harder than the mild steel or the brass of a cartridge case, it might make no difference even after many rounds. Especially, with an "overbuilt" extractor like an AK extractor. Or it might be one of those things like headspace where small differences make a big difference.

 

I think your right about the 74 extractor tips digging in deeper and the middle part has less support.

I compared both kinds of extractors up against a 7.62x39 cartridge. The tips of the 74 extractor need

to be rounded off enough. A 10mm grinding wheel would fix the arc well enough. After grinding, I would retemper

the extractor by heating it with a map torch getting it red hot then quenching it in oil.

 

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You would think SOMEONE... VanKiller or other can DIG into this for us..

 

PLEASSSEEEE.. (with sugar on top)..

 

If any supplier/sponsors want some $$ they will figure a way to either MAKE these parts (from scratch or modded) or get them imported..

 

Somewhere somebody has both AK74 and 47 bolts and parts in a bin and could take the time to TINKER with this and make a BOAT-load of cash..

 

I'd even buy one to have a spare and I havn't even shot my x39 yet (even though I converted it).

 

Arsenal idea holds the best 'water' theory at this point... IMHO..

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Arsenal idea holds the best 'water' theory at this point... IMHO..

 

I called Kvar (AKA Arsenal's surplus parts) I spoke to sales and a production tech. No parts will be flowing in.

I'm not sure there has ever been spare bolts, extractors, and firing pins

from any Saiga importer in the past. If my bolt cracks today from fatigue, RAA

would hopefully replace my whole gun or I guess Tom Cole of Cadiz (RAA warantee service)

might have to headspace a replacement bolt, but I'm not sure either way. If my extractor chips,

then again not sure what next. If some future antigun politician stops all semiauto guns and parts

imports like Clinton did with China, then no more Saigas, no more RAA, no more reasonably priced

replacement parts. Who knows what a machinist would charge to make a bolt or extractor?

Yes, I agree we do need spares. One broken critical part and you got an expensive russian paperweight.

I'm starting to think the Russians don't want to send parts because they would prefer to force you to buy

a replacement weapon instead. Maybe its because they know the ak design has been sold unlicensed

by so many countries and they are not seeing any $ from unlicensed versions like the WASR , SAR, Valmet,

and so on. Hell, if we had enough Russian parts thats a parts kit, and they lose on that deal. They want to sell

a finished product and not parts.

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How much do you guys figure it would cost to machine a new bolt? Or extractor? I know guys who have access to 3-D fax machines that can basically scan and replicate any part. A bolt, extractor or firing pin should be no problem. I just don't know what it would cost to make such an item.

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I would be in line for anyone who would be able to machine the correct part for these rifles. In the 4 months since my first post on wanting parts I have had no one with any parts or ideas on where to get parts. The service centers have no ideas and the AK people that get back to me either have no parts or do not know what will work. I have found springs and all the neccessary pieces for my S-12 and the x39 but the extractors and FP are the needed parts to have "just in case" Someone somewhere has an answer and the ability to make alot of people happy.

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