.223 Saiga Conversion mag choice.

[Click Click Boom 0]

What magazine would you prefer to have your Saiga .223 converted to use?

 

1. Galil/Orlite

2. Bulgy 10s

[lakedweller 10]

AR adapter from Magnolia State Armory and AR mags... AR mags are plentiful and cheap..... IMO

[jiggerman78 1]

What magazine would you prefer to have your Saiga .223 converted to use?

 

1. Galil/Orlite

2. Bulgy 10s

 

 

i just got two Circlo 10s for $37 shipped on gunbroker. They fit pretty nice in the Saiga after just opening the magwell up some.

[KrisFox 69]

The weakest link in my AR-15s are the mags.

 

Do I really want to shoe horn that same weak link into my Saiga?

 

Bulgy Circle 10's please.

Edited August 2, 2009 by KrisFox

[MD_Willington 11]

I have 12 Orlites and 2 Bulgis...

[redsoldier 7]

Orlites - more rounds and cheaper mags with more sources to buy from. It's what I chose;

 

My .223 conversion to near AK-101 specs with folding stock, Kobra sight and Sound Suppressor ["silencer" for the non-class III people].

 

[nalioth 405]

i just got two Circlo 10s for $37 shipped on gunbroker. They fit pretty nice in the Saiga after just opening the magwell up some.

 

You should be more specific about this, otherwise you'll have folks hogging out their mag wells "Century angry beaver style" and then badmouthing the gun when it rattles and flops more than a ill-maintained Model T.

 

The part you 'open up' is here:

 

 

PLEASE do not touch any other area of your mag well.

 

 

CCB, I run both types in my Saiga. With the removal of the interdiction tab (shown above), both types run like grain through a goose.

 

With Bulgarian mags:

 

With Galil mags:

 

So I guess what I'm sayin' is "they're selling you a bill of goods" when they ask "which mags to cut your Saiga for", because both of the types you're after work fine with just the interdiction tab removed (I didn't have to mod the mag catch to use the Bulgies, either).

Ya got me kinda concerned as to who's doing your rifle.

[Click Click Boom 0]

Red stick/Red Jacket is doing a build for me.

 

Will the Saiga take the steer IMI Galil mags with that mag mod, or is there more involved in getting the Steel galil mags to work?

 

 

i just got two Circlo 10s for $37 shipped on gunbroker. They fit pretty nice in the Saiga after just opening the magwell up some.

 

You should be more specific about this, otherwise you'll have folks hogging out their mag wells "Century angry beaver style" and then badmouthing the gun when it rattles and flops more than a ill-maintained Model T.

 

The part you 'open up' is here:

 

 

PLEASE do not touch any other area of your mag well.

 

 

CCB, I run both types in my Saiga. With the removal of the interdiction tab (shown above), both types run like grain through a goose.

 

With Bulgarian mags:

 

With Galil mags:

 

So I guess what I'm sayin' is "they're selling you a bill of goods" when they ask "which mags to cut your Saiga for", because both of the types you're after work fine with just the interdiction tab removed (I didn't have to mod the mag catch to use the Bulgies, either).

Ya got me kinda concerned as to who's doing your rifle.

[nalioth 405]

Red stick/Red Jacket is doing a build for me.

 

Will the Saiga take the steer IMI Galil mags with that mag mod, or is there more involved in getting the Steel galil mags to work?

Dunno, I've never dealt with the steelies.

 

Galil polymers are pretty cheap, in comparison, and much more common.

[Click Click Boom 0]

I cant seem to locate any orlites? Have any you wouldnt mind parting with?

[protected static 19]

Yeah, Orlites seem to have dried up... I'm only finding the steel ones.

[Click Click Boom 0]

Numrich had some today at 39.99 each......

 

Price being equil I prefer the steel mags.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Click Click Boom

[protected static 19]

Numrich had some today at 39.99 each......

 

Price being equil I prefer the steel mags.

You've gotten the steel Galil mags to work in your Saiga? What was involved?

Edited to add: never mind. Evidently, reading comprehension isn't my strong suit tonight.

Edited August 4, 2009 by protected static

[renegadebuck 16]

The weakest link in my AR-15s are the mags.

 

Do I really want to shoe horn that same weak link into my Saiga?

 

Bulgy Circle 10's please.

 

 

Yes, but you can buy a wonderful spring from CMMG and a great follower from the same source and end that problem! It's still cheaper than any other kind of mag. The Spring is a braided AK type that should never give out.

[GregM1 241]

where do you find yours redsoldier? i always see galil orlites going for 10 - 20$ more than the bulgies.

[g21322635 2]

I bought a converted Saiga that had 4 orlites with it and the bullet guide. I have since bought 4 more orlites and now 4 steel mags and have used the steel mags before and they work without any modification except the bullet guide which both need I am sure. I like 5 extra rounds and the quality of the galil mags is great.

[jiggerman78 1]

I just tried my Bulgy Circle 10's yesterday after grinding the interdiction tab naolith(Thanks for the pics) speaks of. The mags work well and i dont have a bullet guide, it could do better but nothing the Saiga cant fix on its own. However i had 2 rds slam into the trunnion and a couple of misfeeds but these could both be fixed with a bullet guide.

[redsoldier 7]

where do you find yours redsoldier? i always see galil orlites going for 10 - 20$ more than the bulgies.

 

I actually bought mine off the shelf of a local store for $15 a piece. I bought 7, which was every one they had left. I really like these mags, honestly.

 

I haven't tried a steel galil mag in it yet to see how that works, I've just been running the orlies I have. I'll have to pick up a steel mag sometime and try it.

[redsoldier 7]

Red stick/Red Jacket is doing a build for me.

 

Will the Saiga take the steer IMI Galil mags with that mag mod, or is there more involved in getting the Steel galil mags to work?

 

The differance in setting up your magwell for orlites and steel is that the guys at Red Jacket will champfer your magwell if using steel mags. The steel ones have a steel palte on teh side to give them thickness, adn this can drag when you take the mag out, so they champfer it for you - hence why he might have asked if you want to run steel or orlite. other than that, there are no other differances in the setup.

[saigafreake 27]

ive used everything but the orlites i would recomend everything but promag. If your interested copes has some rare od green circe 10S for 39.99 they had plum but they was gone in 1 day.

[Lashlarue 1]

I got a free surefire and two free broken promags with mine[ tabs broken off] and my steel galil snaps right in. Waiting on bullet guide. May file off the tab on the surefire or sell it to cover the cost of the guide.Decisions, decisions!!!!

[GregM1 241]

What would be the method for use of steel weiger or steel romanian? would rechamber be required or is mag mod possible?

[nalioth 405]

What would be the method for use of steel weiger or steel romanian? would rechamber be required or is mag mod possible?

Do what?

 

Weigers and their Romanian clones are for .223/5.56x45 NATO. Why would rechambering be needed?

 

 

These guns are all made slightly different, depending on the day and proximity to beer-o-clock at the plant.

 

The mods to fit a Bulgarian 5.56x45 waffle will get you into the ball park for the use of Weigers or their Romanian clones. You'll then be able to see what needs a little 'polish' for them to work.

[saigafreake 27]

both the german and romanians fit in my gun with no mods but the yugo mags which are my favorite took some time to get a proper fit.

[GregM1 241]

thanks guys, that clears the confusion. i was searching the forums, but all i could find was some old threads. They made it sound as if it would need the magwell modded to allow the space difference in a way similar to the mod needed for MSA's AR adapter.

[dobravery 49]

I voted Orlite because I bought a bunch before they really dried up. If I were back to square one, I'd go Bulgy. Unless there is some warehouse somewhere filled with Orlites, it is going to get ever more stressful trying to go the Orlite route.

[Click Click Boom 0]

I just picked up 10 Galil orlites. they were pricey at 29.99 each!!

 

I voted Orlite because I bought a bunch before they really dried up. If I were back to square one, I'd go Bulgy. Unless there is some warehouse somewhere filled with Orlites, it is going to get ever more stressful trying to go the Orlite route.

[saigafreake 27]

Kvar had the bulgies on sale for 20 bucks this weekend.

[christcorp 26]

I vote NEITHER: but that wasn't a choice. If I "Needed" magazines for "REAL WORLD" situations, I want original magazines that were made/meant for that rifle. E.g. Saiga or Surefire magazines. And that would be the #1 reason for using the Renegade (NOT MSA) adapter. It can be removed as quickly as removing the magazine. You could then use the quality Saiga or Surefire magazines that were meant specifically for the weapon, and not have to deal with adaptation that MIGHT fail when you need it most. And being Russian American Armory seems to sponsor and promote surefire magazines, I trust those. Again; for "Real World" situations where it's NEEDED. For day to day use, whatever you want is fine. But I prefer any change/modification done to adapt to other magazine, be IMMEDIATELY REVERSIBLE if needed. That's why I think the Renegade AR-15 adapter is perfect. In 3.5 seconds, it can be removed, and factory OEM magazine can be put back in. Dinzag bullet guides don't allow for the immediate use of factory mags. Relying on modifying magazines, or the weapon in order to make a magazine work is open to risk of failure. But if a modification can be removed instantly, like the renegade AR15 adapter, you get the best of all worlds.

[cooger 19]

I tried using 2 steel galil mags in my Saiga and could not get them to work. The bolt would ride over the bullet and catch it about 1/4 inch up, jamming the bullet into the chamber wall. The mags snapped right in but looked like they just sat to low in the rifle. I've heard about adding material to them to make them sit up higher but that sounds like a pain so I'm selling them. And before anyone asks, I do have a bullet guide installed. I guess i will pick up some bulgys after i find time to do the conversion.