TheDarkHorse 216 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I just finished my conversion, and like many others, I had difficulty with the BHO. I got it back in and functioning 100% but it was tough. I tried the "floss" method....first with string, then with fishing line. Both broke before I could secure it. I ended up getting it into position with a small pair of needle-nose pliers pressing down on the spring. So how much trouble did you have? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BUFF_dragon 3 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I didn't have ANY issues with it.... laid the spring in, put the pin through, took a small screwdriver and pulled it up the side of the gun, grabbed it with some small needle-nosed pliars, pushed the BHO against the side of he gun, released the spring and TAHDAH!!!!! worked perfectly. after I take it apart to paint and put it back together, I'm gonna put a bend in the leg of the spring and make it ever easier..... it'll be a piece of cake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Putting the bend in the leg made all the difference for me. It was easy to grip with needle nose pliers and pop into place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Put the hateful thing back in. Mine was a bear too, but this is no time to let the Saiga start bossing you around! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mscottrogers 56 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Mine came without a bho at all, so I ordered a tromix and have yet to install it. maybe this week. Sounds like fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 The dental floss method worked for me. It took a little bit, but I got it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
technosavant 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I think I got mine back in backwards, with the long spring leg pushing against the BHO and the short leg against the receiver. The long leg was catching against the safety, making it harder to engage the BHO, but I bent it a bit and now it works fine. Unless it gives me a problem I won't be taking it apart to put it back in properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goldenman 1 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I did mine the way Carolina shooters showed on thier video. Except I used a small diameter punch thru the FCG pin hole, got hold of the spring pulled it down and jiggeled it a bit to get the pin thru (bent the sring leg of course) then installed the hammer pin. I had never done any work on any firearms before this. I must say that it is so gratifying to do your own conversion. I just recently had the barrel and reciever coated with ceramic coat in a dark sniper gray. The gun looks great!! Sorry, I don't have a digital camera for pictures. When I get one I'll put some up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I did mine the way Carolina shooters showed on thier video. Except I used a small diameter punch thru the FCG pinhole, got hold of the spring pulled it down and jiggeled it a bit to get the pin thru (bent the sring leg of course) then installed the hammer pin. I had never done any work on any firearms before this. I must say that it is so gratifying to do your own conversion. I just recently had the barrel and reciever coated with ceramic coat in a dark sniper gray. The gun looks great!! Sorry, I don't have a digital camera for pictures. When I get one I'll put some up. Sounds good, can't wait to see it! Post pics soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'm thinking about taking it off my x39. Every time i try to dump a mag with Barry i accidentaly trigger it and have to send the bolt home... Why havn't i ever had this issue with my S-12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'm thinking about taking it off my x39. Every time i try to dump a mag with Barry i accidentaly trigger it and have to send the bolt home...They're absof**kinglutely useless on the military caliber variants. 60,000,000 Kalashnikovs have been made w/o them. They're only afflicted on us to gain "importation points" cuz "bolt hold opens" are "features found on sporting guns" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) 60,000,000 Kalashnikovs have been made w/o them. They're only afflicted on us to gain "importation points" cuz "bolt hold opens" are "features found on sporting guns" What? Most military arms have a BHO! The early Saiga 12's did not have them and this site was one of the pioneers in making them available to retrofit. They are still listed here. That some folks have problems with them is one thing, I am not one of them, but your statements make no sense to me, or am I missing something here? Edited August 5, 2009 by Azrial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'm thinking about taking it off my x39. Every time i try to dump a mag with Barry i accidentaly trigger it and have to send the bolt home... Did you try grinding it down so it is smaller? Or you can do what I did and weld a tab on the side and cut it even shorter so it sits flush with the receiver when in bho mode, and only hangs down a little in released mode. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brvt1000 2 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I did mine the way Carolina shooters showed on their video. +1, works just fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 My only problem was pulling it all out and putting it back in 20 times, trying to figure out how to use the retainer plate and safety. I found out you can't without cutting stuff. Nobody ever mentioned that until recently... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) I'm thinking about taking it off my x39. Every time i try to dump a mag with Barry i accidentaly trigger it and have to send the bolt home... Did you try grinding it down so it is smaller? Or you can do what I did and weld a tab on the side and cut it even shorter so it sits flush with the receiver when in bho mode, and only hangs down a little in released mode. Yeah I've ground it down quite a bit with no luck... I'll get a pic... no maybe i won't... batteries dead... Really I'm not so sure its worth the effort on a otherwise perfectly functional firearm. My only problem was pulling it all out and putting it back in 20 times, trying to figure out how to use the retainer plate and safety. I found out you can't without cutting stuff. Nobody ever mentioned that until recently... Everything has to be modified all it takes is a little material off the saftey. Edited August 5, 2009 by Nailbomb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7.62x39 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I would have voted somewhere between Yep, no problem and Yes, but I caught hell in the process. It's a little tricky, but very manageable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gothmog 24 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Don't need no stinking BHO.... waiting on cobra's....only he will get my money... HUZZAH!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I was having one hell of a time getting the spring for the BHO to stay in place. Thank God for the video I found on youtube where some guy shows how to hold it using needle nose pliers, that worked like a charm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrBormental 9 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 IMHO i think BHO absolutely looseles part. But LRBHO i different talk, mostly needed thing. I have pulled out this detail from the my Saiga-12C. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bullsquid 2 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Mine was a pain in the arse to get back in my s12. I swear I worked on that little spring for 3 hours! LOL!! I have a 308 and a 7.62 and did not even try to install them after my conversion. Did not see the need in it. The s12 is hard to get a full magazine attached the bolt closed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDarkHorse 216 Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 IMHO i think BHO absolutely looseles part. But LRBHO i different talk, mostly needed thing. I have pulled out this detail from the my Saiga-12C. Yes, if a LRBHO had been installed at factory for American import, we would not need a BHO. But that is all we have and it is better than nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
x_man586 7 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I put it back in both my s-308 and my s-12. It was hard, but the youtube video helped. Afterwards I decded that it rubbed into my finger too much and removed them. If I ever go somewhere where I absolutely have to have one I will put it back in, but the range around here has no rules about them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fxhart 14 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) I'm thinking about taking it off my x39. Every time i try to dump a mag with Barry i accidentaly trigger it and have to send the bolt home... Did you try grinding it down so it is smaller? Or you can do what I did and weld a tab on the side and cut it even shorter so it sits flush with the receiver when in bho mode, and only hangs down a little in released mode. I was thinking of cutting a little bit of the receiver like you did but taking the little tab from the stock BHO, marking where it meets the receiver and then just bending it in a vise. The tab will be a bit smaller and hopefully manageable (I don't have access to a welder). Edited August 28, 2009 by Tacticool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldandslow 3 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 The BHO is just part of the fun. I converted 3 Saiga 12s for myself and one for a member. I shoot 3Gun with mine, so I'm constantly massaging the favorite one. However, I looked in my other two and decided that they needed new paint, upgraded welding and replacement of the reused trigger guard with a cut down AK47 trigger guard. More opportunity to remove and replace the BHO. Lucky for me I have a tiny spring hook from my days fixing IBM Selectric typewriters. It is even spring loaded, so it captures the BHO spring and puts it in the correct position, first time every time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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