Loveless 7 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I'm still a noob, but picked up a new buttsock and handguard, I thought I'd give it a try putting them on. A Draganuv style buttstock that I had to drill screw holes into and a handguard from a 7.62 x 39 that I modified to fit on my S12. Even though I had absolutely no prior experience doing anything like this, I thought it was really easy. I used a cordless hand drill, Dremel, metal file, sharp knife, wire brush, etc... I want to get a new, nice looking handguard screw but I love the feel of this handguard and stock, WAY better than the stock set! What do you guys think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PVT Pablo 25 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I'm still a noob, but picked up a new buttsock and handguard, I thought I'd give it a try putting them on. A Draganuv style buttstock that I had to drill screw holes into and a handguard from a 7.62 x 39 that I modified to fit on my S12. Even though I had absolutely no prior experience doing anything like this, I thought it was really easy. I used a cordless hand drill, Dremel, metal file, sharp knife, wire brush, etc... I want to get a new, nice looking handguard screw but I love the feel of this handguard and stock, WAY better than the stock set! What do you guys think? I toyed with the idea of buying that stock, but I just bought the parts for a full conversion instead and I'm happy I did. Before you buy anything else, just buy the conversion parts. It'll run ya like 150 bucks, but you'll forever be in love. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDarkHorse 216 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I also had that stock briefly. It's a great alternative to a full conversion. What handguard do you have? I can't make it out in your picture. Lookin good! BTW, you need a bigger mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loveless 7 Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I also had that stock briefly. It's a great alternative to a full conversion. What handguard do you have? I can't make it out in your picture. Lookin good! BTW, you need a bigger mag. I want to keep my S12 able to easily go back to stock configuration and this stock seemed, and felt, like the best option. I really like it. Not about the money at all, Pablo, and I am confident I could do the conversion, I just do not want to. Thanks for the response. I am thinking about buying a second one eventually and converting one of the two but I always want one that is stock or easily switched back to stock. I took a factory handguard off of a 7.62X39 Saiga and Dremeled the crap out of it, drilled a new screw hole for it and put it on. I think it looks and feels great! Thanks for the support Darkhorse. I want one of Mike's 20 round drums! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 ... I toyed with the idea of buying that stock, but I just bought the parts for a full conversion instead and I'm happy I did. Before you buy anything else, just buy the conversion parts. It'll run ya like 150 bucks, but you'll forever be in love. You did good young Grasshopper... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackthorne 2 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I also had that stock briefly. It's a great alternative to a full conversion. What handguard do you have? I can't make it out in your picture. Lookin good! BTW, you need a bigger mag. I want to keep my S12 able to easily go back to stock configuration and this stock seemed, and felt, like the best option. I really like it. Not about the money at all, Pablo, and I am confident I could do the conversion, I just do not want to. Thanks for the response. I am thinking about buying a second one eventually and converting one of the two but I always want one that is stock or easily switched back to stock. I took a factory handguard off of a 7.62X39 Saiga and Dremeled the crap out of it, drilled a new screw hole for it and put it on. I think it looks and feels great! Just curious. Why would you ever want to go back to stock configuration?? That is like Obama Motors taking a Corvette and reconfiguring it to look and perform like a Yugo. You come along and buy it and de-convert it back to Corvette specs. Why would you even consider turning it back to the Yugo? The gun, in its Elmer Fudd PC configuration, is an under-performer. I know you said you are not interested in converting it, but the best performance comes with the pistol grip and modified (restored) fire control group. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Just curious. Why would you ever want to go back to stock configuration?? That is like Obama Motors taking a Corvette and reconfiguring it to look and perform like a Yugo. You come along and buy it and de-convert it back to Corvette specs. Why would you even consider turning it back to the Yugo?The gun, in its Elmer Fudd PC configuration, is an under-performer. I know you said you are not interested in converting it, but the best performance comes with the pistol grip and modified (restored) fire control group. As the OP said, he likes the feel of the stock configuration and like the stock he's got on there even more. Why so much aggression toward how he likes his gun? The nice thing about the Saiga weapon platform is that YOU can do whatever you want with it. I'm sure he's already read the posts about converting and just decided that's not what he preferred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HillBilly2 9 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Just curious. Why would you ever want to go back to stock configuration?? That is like Obama Motors taking a Corvette and reconfiguring it to look and perform like a Yugo. You come along and buy it and de-convert it back to Corvette specs. Why would you even consider turning it back to the Yugo?The gun, in its Elmer Fudd PC configuration, is an under-performer. I know you said you are not interested in converting it, but the best performance comes with the pistol grip and modified (restored) fire control group. As the OP said, he likes the feel of the stock configuration and like the stock he's got on there even more. Why so much aggression toward how he likes his gun? The nice thing about the Saiga weapon platform is that YOU can do whatever you want with it. I'm sure he's already read the posts about converting and just decided that's not what he preferred. Aggression? I see nothing but a respectful opinion offered. He is certainly entitled to do anything he likes to his gun, and anyone else is entitled to approve or not. After all it is just opinions. Why all the resentment of a little disapproval? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) The first Saiga I ever shot was converted. The handling benefits were, to me, obvious. Placing your hand just a few inches forward--and at an angle that is more conducive to one-hand manipulation--made a real difference in terms of balance, quickness and reloading speed. I agree that the regular factory stock is far from optimal. I do, however, think that a good "sporter" stock has utility and even some aesthetic benefits. I ordered a stock from battleriflleG3, modded the grip contour a bit and finished it last week. I installed it on Thursday and had a chance to test it out today. Fantastic. I can't wait to get a decent buttpad on it. The thing handles well and, for shooting clays or game, is ergonomically correct. I haven't handled the Saiganov stock, but I would imagine it is a big step up from the factory stock. If you like it, stick with it, but don't limit your options. I highly recommend BRG3 stock, though, and you might consider making the leap. By the way, I really like the look of the modified 7.62 front end. I like them so much that my 7.62 conversions never get new front ends. Care to start a new thread on the proper way to mod a 7.62 front end for the S-12? Edited August 10, 2009 by stiletto raggio Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) Just curious. Why would you ever want to go back to stock configuration?? That is like Obama Motors taking a Corvette and reconfiguring it to look and perform like a Yugo. You come along and buy it and de-convert it back to Corvette specs. Why would you even consider turning it back to the Yugo?The gun, in its Elmer Fudd PC configuration, is an under-performer. I know you said you are not interested in converting it, but the best performance comes with the pistol grip and modified (restored) fire control group. As the OP said, he likes the feel of the stock configuration and like the stock he's got on there even more. Why so much aggression toward how he likes his gun? The nice thing about the Saiga weapon platform is that YOU can do whatever you want with it. I'm sure he's already read the posts about converting and just decided that's not what he preferred. Aggression? I see nothing but a respectful opinion offered. He is certainly entitled to do anything he likes to his gun, and anyone else is entitled to approve or not. After all it is just opinions. Why all the resentment of a little disapproval? I agree. There is no "aggression" present in Blackthorne's response. Hell, I was going to ask Loveless the same thing. Imo, there is no reason not to convert restore any and all S-12's. I have to wonder if Loveless is afraid of possible future actions of the BATFE or......? Edited August 10, 2009 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lvjeffro 30 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think whoevers jersey your gun is sitting on is a very huge man... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dbmccart 11 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think whoevers jersey your gun is sitting on is a very huge man... If he's anything like me then making the gun any shorter would actually hurt the performance. As i'm a big guy, and I feel that if I converted my Saiga 12 it would be to small. It would not comfortably shoot from the shoulder the way it does now. I was thinking about grabbing this same stock and a drum pretty soon, however convertin my gun isn't in any of my future plans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think whoevers jersey your gun is sitting on is a very huge man... If he's anything like me then making the gun any shorter would actually hurt the performance. As i'm a big guy, and I feel that if I converted my Saiga 12 it would be to small. It would not comfortably shoot from the shoulder the way it does now. I was thinking about grabbing this same stock and a drum pretty soon, however convertin my gun isn't in any of my future plans. Why not convert restore your S-12? It improves every aspect of the weapon's performance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think whoevers jersey your gun is sitting on is a very huge man... If he's anything like me then making the gun any shorter would actually hurt the performance. As i'm a big guy, and I feel that if I converted my Saiga 12 it would be to small. It would not comfortably shoot from the shoulder the way it does now. I was thinking about grabbing this same stock and a drum pretty soon, however convertin my gun isn't in any of my future plans. Ace make a number of different stocks in different lenghts. Moving the trigger forward also allows you to grip the gun farther up. Combine that with the ability to get a stock thats perfect for you and there's no reason at all to be afraid of it being too short. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7.62x39 0 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 +1 restoring the gun to original configuration increases the LOP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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