sudaevpps43 31 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) Anton Chigurh got tired of his other suppressed shotgun and ordered this up. http://www.redstick-firearms.com/videos/Su...dJacketS-12.AVI Though obviously the real reason Will made it was so a shooter wouldn't have to take the cigarette out of their mouth when shooting: http://www.redstick-firearms.com/videos/Su...cketS12vsAR.AVI Edited August 11, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Interesting! I wonder what loads he was shooting in there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Always wanted one of those though that does sort of ruin the close quarters performance of the SBS... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Quote: Originally Posted by CajunTim View Post is it slugs he is shooting? It is high brass 7 1/2 shot but runs slugs as well.Here is the specs on it. SPECS:Weight : 8lb's Barrel : 19.5 in Can : 16 in. O.D. of can : 1.75 in. Overall BBL w/ can : 22.5 in Overall w/ stock extended :40.5 Overall with stock folded : 32.5 Forearm : Tromix "shorty" Galil type P.G. : std AK [for now , I'm out of Ergo's } Suppression : Check out the movie where we shoot it alongside a GemTech AR-15 can Recoil : analogous to 7.62x39 semi-auto Sight's : HK . Not needed to clear the can , but I like them Stock : Ace sidefolder Charging handel : Tromix upswept Galil type , weld on . Choke : You pick it , accept's Izmash factory chokes Build note's : Shortened gas system back to std SBS spec's so as to have more barrel to port . Barrel has 4 evenly spaced row's of porting from the rear cap , which is 1.25 in. from gasblock to allow removal of gasplug , running up to .5 in from begining of threading at end of barrel . All port hole's evenly spaced and drilled at a proper 45 degree angle . Can is held in proper relation to barrel and suported by a .5 in wide bushing threaded on behind original , factory threading at end of barrel . or http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22120 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) If he made a non-integral suppressor that fit more than one brand of shotgun he would sell more. I know I would buy one, I have a few SBSs that I would like to try it with. Edited August 11, 2009 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) Always wanted one of those though that does sort of ruin the close quarters performance of the SBS... If he made a non-integral suppressor that fit more than one brand of shotgun he would sell more. I know I would buy one, I have a few SBSs that I would like to try it with. Will already makes screw on suppressors for SBR's, so a separate screw on Saiga 12 suppressor is something he will probably be doing sometime down the road. As far as this current integrally suppressed Saiga 12 of his goes, from what he posted over on the AK Forum ( http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic...asc&start=0 ) it sounded like he had two main goals in mind when making it. The first was to make a suppressed shotgun that would be as quiet as possible (which is no doubt why the suppressor section of the barrel is as long as it is), and secondly to make a suppressed shotgun that would only require one NFA tax stamp to purchase/transfer (which of course couldn't be done with an SBS and a detachable suppressor). Edited August 11, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Always wanted one of those though that does sort of ruin the close quarters performance of the SBS... If he made a non-integral suppressor that fit more than one brand of shotgun he would sell more. I know I would buy one, I have a few SBSs that I would like to try it with. Will already makes screw on suppressors for SBR's, so a separate screw on Saiga 12 suppressor is something he will probably be doing sometime down the road. As far as this current integrally suppressed Saiga 12 of his goes, from what he posted over on the AK Forum ( http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic...asc&start=0 ) it sounded like he had two main goals in mind when making it. The first was to make a suppressed shotgun that would be as quiet as possible (which is no doubt why the suppressor section of the barrel is as long as it is), and secondly to make a suppressed shotgun that would only require one NFA tax stamp to purchase/transfer (which of course couldn't be done with an SBS and a detachable suppressor). That's about it . The goal here was a supressed shotgun that 1, worked 2, was fieldable [weight/size] , 3, easy maintenance 4, shot anything , shotshell's, slug's , whatever . 5 , realisiticly affordable . 6 , looked cool , not like 870 with a sewer pipe welded on it . I had potential customer's and just plain intrested folk's supply the base line performance criteria . I can see [now] were it would be possible to do a screw on can that would acomplish all this , but it would be a very intensive machineing effort [mean's expensive ] I'll make one when sombody pushs me into it . Right now , well , I've never seen a new product take off so fast . If we ever do make a detachable can for a shotgun , it will be for the Saiga . Barrel profile's , threading and whatnot , well , we got Saiga's down pat . This is what we do . Will Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 ... I REALLY need to move to a free state.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 That's pretty cool. I knew someone would do it, since Tony had proven it could be done once. I had an idea myself to do one, and it was more or less along those lines, except I wasn't going to shorten the gas system. I just haven't had the time. As Will already knows I'm sure, the problem with a detachable suppressor will be the wad opening inside it. This pretty much requires a center tube, which makes for a lot of machining. The integral model actually turns out easier to make. Anyway, excellent job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) For those interested in a screw on suppressor instead of integral suppression, yesterday in that thread on the AK Forum ( http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic...asc&start=0 ) Will posted this: OK guy's , been getting flooded with reqests for this can as a screw on , seperate unit . After drawing it out , going over it all . No problem . Same performance , still use a choke [or not, your call] . It will be the same size can ,16 in's x 1.75 in's . Only for use on SBS's made by me or Tromix . No warranty if used on anyone else's SBS's S-12 . Price is $900.00 Edited August 13, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 If Will will make one for a 19"er i'll get the paperwork started tomorrow, yeah it'd be retarded long, but still awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 If Will will make one for a 19"er i'll get the paperwork started tomorrow, yeah it'd be retarded long, but still awesome. Will doesn't trust factory threading the way he does Red Jacket and Tromix . And yeah , 14 inchs of tube in front of a 19 in barrel , dang . We can , of course , turn your gun into one of our's . Will Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkbit 109 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Anton Chigurh got tired of his other suppressed shotgun and ordered this up. http://www.redstick-firearms.com/videos/Su...dJacketS-12.AVI Though obviously the real reason Will made it was so a shooter wouldn't have to take the cigarette out of their mouth when shooting: http://www.redstick-firearms.com/videos/Su...cketS12vsAR.AVI who's toolbox are ya'll shootin' at? LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Will doesn't trust factory threading the way he does Red Jacket and Tromix ....... I don't blame you one bit on not trusting factory threading because I still remember this thread: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=35642 Edited August 13, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 unfortunately i live in indianapolis, and 19" is as short as it gets however they don't give a hoot about suppressors. Any ideas? I do still want one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 unfortunately i live in indianapolis, and 19" is as short as it gets however they don't give a hoot about suppressors. Any ideas? I do still want one. yeah man , the gun shown is an integrally suppressed S-12 with a 19.5 in barrel . It's registatered as such , not a SBS . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Genital update: turgid Ok then i will buy another s12 from you folks. I figured it was a tromix shorty with a can on the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinnivanhood 17 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 So there isnt any special license needed for supressors in Indiana? I also wondered about just having my S12 modded rather than buying another or even better how about buying the stuff for a DIY? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 possibly most awesome thing ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 So there isnt any special license needed for supressors in Indiana? You need to pay the $200 tax anywhere in the US for a suppressor. It's a federal thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinnivanhood 17 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 So there isnt any special license needed for supressors in Indiana? You need to pay the $200 tax anywhere in the US for a suppressor. It's a federal thing. ok I thought so, just double checkin, Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Yeah sorry if i wasn't clear. You still have to pay for the suppressor stamp, however you cant have SBS's in Indy. I was thinking this was an SBS with a screwed on can. since it's all one piece it's not an SBS which is nice and saves me length as i was thinking of buying a can and screwing it on my 19incher. The price seems nice too. I'd hate to lead any of my fellow indianians astray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hehe j/k that thing is still pretty cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hehe j/k that thing is still pretty cool. LOL , so much for conventional wisdom . As a added bonus , you can use real shell's and use the sight's with our's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I dropped by Red Jacket at lunch and got to shoot one of these suppressed puppies. First surprise was how light weight the can is! Even with an ACE folder on it, the can didn't make it too off balance. Recoil was what I've come to expect from a Red Jacket shorty, which is not much, about that of a 7.62, if that heavy. All in all a very sweet shoot! Looks like I'm going to be getting a can for mine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I dropped by Red Jacket at lunch and got to shoot one of these suppressed puppies. First surprise was how light weight the can is! Even with an ACE folder on it, the can didn't make it too off balance. Recoil was what I've come to expect from a Red Jacket shorty, which is not much, about that of a 7.62, if that heavy. All in all a very sweet shoot! Looks like I'm going to be getting a can for mine! yeah but I'm charging you extra . 10% fondling fee LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 yeah but I'm charging you extra . 10% fondling fee LOL Hey I wiped it off when I was done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hey Will, since my 12.5"er is due back from you any day how 'bout you just save me some shipping and put a detachable suppressor in the box too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Jacket 329 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Hey Will, since my 12.5"er is due back from you any day how 'bout you just save me some shipping and put a detachable suppressor in the box too. hey , no problem man , I'll even cover the shipping Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blam 4 Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I dropped by Red Jacket at lunch and got to shoot one of these suppressed puppies. First surprise was how light weight the can is! Even with an ACE folder on it, the can didn't make it too off balance. Recoil was what I've come to expect from a Red Jacket shorty, which is not much, about that of a 7.62, if that heavy. All in all a very sweet shoot! Looks like I'm going to be getting a can for mine! I bought a 7.62 x 39 suppressor and a .223 suppressor from Red Jacket.... looks like I need to call Will and get the 12 gauge can now. I think its a gotta have thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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