22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Or so the nay-sayers say. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1101679 Sometimes I forget how the S12 can be the "love to hate" shotgun, outside of this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Jeese people are some smack talkin fools. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Hmmph! Fudtalk...lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Obviously no one asked me or GeorgiaPD...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fasdfs 5 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Sentimentalists. Comparing an S12 to a pump-action tube feeder is like comparing a 1911 to an SAA. But, then again, I'm sure when the 1911 was new, there were a bunch of codgers saying they would rather keep their SAAs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goldenman 1 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Or so the nay-sayers say. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1101679 Sometimes I forget how the S12 can be the "love to hate" shotgun, outside of this forum. Wow, only one person was for the S-12. Funny that it's on Glocktalk, remember when the Golck first came out how much negative feedback it got. If they want to call the Saiga a range toy, that's fine with me. But I'm sure that none of them would want to be on the wrong end of these toy's. If anything ever happens at my house (god forbid) I'm grabbing the most fire power I have, that's the S-12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
havok 21 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 For one I would take a XD over a glock. I like how they all have one are owned one. If someone is a member on glocktalk tell them to post pics of their S12's with their weak ass glock's. And point them in the right direction to sell them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chupa 34 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 If I wasn't laid off right now and had the money!!! I would send everyone that had a S12 and didn't like it a PM. "I would gladly take your novelty gun off your hands for $300, besides it doesn't work anyway, right?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Ah, come on guys. That sounds like a good thing to me. Don't you think it would make them harder for y'all to get if everyone from that forum all of a sudden wanted to start buying them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Or so the nay-sayers say. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1101679 Sometimes I forget how the S12 can be the "love to hate" shotgun, outside of this forum. Wow, only one person was for the S-12. Funny that it's on Glocktalk, remember when the Golck first came out how much negative feedback it got. If they want to call the Saiga a range toy, that's fine with me. But I'm sure that none of them would want to be on the wrong end of these toy's. If anything ever happens at my house (god forbid) I'm grabbing the most fire power I have, that's the S-12 I find it odd, that someone said "I looked at one today. The mag is freakin' huge. It looks a little clumsy to me." on a Glock forum. If we're going on looks, Glocks look like squared blocks with triggers. It's pretty obvious that the guy who said that, did exactly as he said "looked at one", and never actually handled the S12. Nor did the guy who replied to his comment, saying "That's been my observation too. I'll stick to a 870, thank you very much." Observation being the key word. I think fasdfs nailed it: Sentimentalists. (FWIW, my blocky Glock comment above is not a bash on Glocks. I will be getting a G19 as my first ever handgun. Thus the reason I joined GT and how I found that thread.) Saiga 12: The Redheaded Step-Child of the Shotgun World. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Obviously the bashers are just not that knowledgeable. Go to any competition or tactical training class and see how well pump shotguns fair against S12's. It's not even close, you can deliver more rounds, more accurately. If you have to reload the performance gap is even more obvious. Only a fool would take a 6 shot pump gun over a 8 shot semiauto in a gunfight. The better autoloaders out there are fine weapons. However, reloading is still a weak point and my S12 has a simple, robust action as opposed to some that have o-rings, or complicated mechanisms. Reliability is paramount, of course, and while some have had to tweak their vodka specials, once the bugs are worked out S12's run as well as any autoloader on the market. Perhaps I'm just lucky, but mine has run flawlessly from day one. When I run mine all the pump guys & tube fed autoloaders dudes shake their heads that I can engage so many targets, so fast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vegasdom 0 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I had to comment on the glock forum. I may need some back-up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fasdfs 5 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 For one I would take a XD over a glock. As would I. I own a Glock 21, S&W M&P9C, and a full-size XD40. In terms of quality, accuracy, function, and cost, they're pretty much the same. In terms of ergonomics, the M&P with its adjustable backstrap wins hands down. The XD is a close second because, even though it's comfortable, the grip safety has a tendency to pinch under recoil. The Glock feels like it was not made with human hands in mind; the grip angle is all wrong, and they're just too bulky, thanks in part to their using composite magazine bodies instead of sheet metal. When it comes down to it, the Glock 17 was a great innovation, but that was a long time ago, and very little has changed since. There are too many equally reliable and better-engineered polymer-framed, striker-fired pistols being made to justify my purchasing another one. By the way, someone should point them to this thread to see how indignant they get when their favorite platform comes under legitimate attack! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PRISONSHANK 70 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 those folks all sound like the manager at a range here.... he caught a glimpse of me blastin clay with one of mikeys drums after the yak yak yak bullshit, yea i'll never go back to that place. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Jeese who pushed this snow ball down the mountain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superA 289 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Group buy on used 12's at the GF? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Group buy on used 12's at the GF? Ohh im in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhound 91 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I, like you guys, don't really care what they think on that board. I like my Saiga S-12 "toys." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Fuck'em. Doesn't bother me one bit. More for me. Bunch of Glock toting pussies. (I carry a Glock, BTW, so ). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Only one way to know for sure...... Death match......!!!! Our crew vs their crew...... Best of luck with your reload times!!!! Edit: emotional attachment to ANY platform can get you killed!!!! I will ALWAYS love my Saiga 12's.... but if a better shotty comes along.... guess what...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Couldn't resist, had to put up a post. Lot of dimwits over there, that's why I mostly stay on the private forums over there... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I find it sooooo freakin' funny that GLOCK dudes would question the saiga.... after all... some silly polymer frame auto loader will NEVER be as reliable as a wheel gun!!!! Frikin' morons..... Brainwashed in "modern technique"..... I shoot Glock and Saiga.... they go bang every time...... Do this with your Benelli or 870 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goldenman 1 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I'd love to have a AA 10 but just try to find one for sale. So the Saiga is the shotgun to have. Let the uninformed Glockers talk, they don't realize. By the way, I also have a Glock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I love my Glock. The Glock is the S-12 of the pistol world IMO. It's too bad there has to be such forum rivalry going on here. Fuds talking shit that are obviously uneducated about what they speak.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I love my Glock. The Glock is the S-12 of the pistol world IMO. It's too bad there has to be such forum rivalry going on here. Fuds talking shit that are obviously uneducated about what they speak.... You put that glock in the safe with all them Russian toys and it does not get scared ??? mabie you snuggle it close to that there ar15 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Opinions are like noses, everybody has one whether it is informed or not. Whatever. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Our crew vs their crew...... Im in on a hog hunt with two man teams....one of our guys, one of thier guys, and the neutral driver/guide per team. Whoever I get paired against, best know how to stalk hunt game in heavy cover.... We can add up weight after the weekend, or 3 month period. ....maybe we SHOULD offer a challenge up like this, officially.....Im not going to shoot with a newbie unless i see them at a range first, however. any thoughts? my saiga-12 is NOT A TOY. What Ive done to mine, and its still loaded behind my door, would make any other shotgun and almost any rifle or pistol CRY. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWBeamer 1 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) Good post, I wanted add that if my saiga did have a feed or eject failure, I could clear it in about or only slightly more time than it takes to pump the action on a pump. BTW, I have never had a failure with high brass ammo. I think it is ironic that some are critical of the saiga's plastic stock, when a glock is largely plastic itself. Obviously the bashers are just not that knowledgeable. Go to any competition or tactical training class and see how well pump shotguns fair against S12's. It's not even close, you can deliver more rounds, more accurately. If you have to reload the performance gap is even more obvious. Only a fool would take a 6 shot pump gun over a 8 shot semiauto in a gunfight. The better autoloaders out there are fine weapons. However, reloading is still a weak point and my S12 has a simple, robust action as opposed to some that have o-rings, or complicated mechanisms. Reliability is paramount, of course, and while some have had to tweak their vodka specials, once the bugs are worked out S12's run as well as any autoloader on the market. Perhaps I'm just lucky, but mine has run flawlessly from day one. When I run mine all the pump guys & tube fed autoloaders dudes shake their heads that I can engage so many targets, so fast. Edited August 14, 2009 by VWBeamer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 It boggles my mind that someone named gun_guru would spend money buying weapons, NOT shooting them, and basically relying on an unfired, untested weapon as a "behind the bedroom door" gun. I guess I must be an economics guru because I have a bunch of bills to pay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VincentYGB 0 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 It could be dangerous for them shooting their Glocks with their head stuck so far up their azz....they could blow their ballz off or sumpthin' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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