DrWho 10 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 up and down, just slightly. i know it has a moving part, and i think that is what it is. so if it is un-folded and your looking down the sight. the mech will move a tad. can do it while folded as well.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottyc 0 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ZERO movement on either of mine! S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Mine wiggles a bit.. but it's an Ace push-button and that seems to be "normal" for this part. It doesn't move when I have it shouldered, so I don't really care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ck43001 12 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 The push button mechanisms wiggle a lot, but it can vary from piece to piece. We've installed some that are tight, and we've installed some that were completely unacceptable. The spring loaded ones all seem to be tight. Craig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) min is a spring loaded one. and when i mean move. i am talking only the tiniest of a fraction of a noticeable movement. i have the 2 longer screws with hex caps with washers going into the smaller bit connecting to isa. Edited August 15, 2009 by DrWho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raoul_Duke 113 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 My older folding mechanisms do not move, but I have 2 new ones that do. All spring loaded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 i was afraid of that. bugs me a bit... not sure if i should send it back and ask for one with out wiggle or will they all have em.. man.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarPD 6 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 My Ace folder is rock solid, even slightly difficult to unlock. It does not have a button to release it. It's a tight as the folder on my FAL "Para", and that's tight. If I had to I wouldn't hesitate to buttstroke an adversary without fear of damage or that it would come unlocked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 i was afraid of that.bugs me a bit... not sure if i should send it back and ask for one with out wiggle or will they all have em.. man.. That is the first time I have seen that stock mounted. I like it! As far as the folding mechanism goes, is it a Ace or...? I have the Ace folder on mine, and like StarPD's it is rock solid! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) not sure if it is an ace folder? yeah the stock is nice the MSA ISA is sw33t! but the folding mech http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=125 i don't know.. may try to add some electrical tape to it to close the gap. i swear the movement is tiny, but to me noticeable Edited August 15, 2009 by DrWho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 That's the same kind I have. ACE folder. Mine locks pretty solid. It's got a tiny bit of wiggle up and down but, it's barely noticable. It does wobble noticably when folded though. I also had the pin back out on me at the range a few times so I put some loctite on the non-moving ends of the assembly. Haven't tested it yet but I hope that keeps the bastard solid from now on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WGMann 0 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Mine did move a bit but did some fitting of the cam like surfaces an it went away unless fired with high base ammo. It would then sort of unlock and relock while firing. I made a little bracket with a hole on one side that fits against the side of the folder and keeps it from moving. Uses an exsiting threaded hole in the folder and a big knurled screw to hold it one. Yeah, I know, makes it a little hokey, but I have folder on it just for easy storage not quick action, and it is absolutly solid now. I will replace it with a push button one as I know that they can be adjusted with an added set screw to be rock solid too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 My Romanian wire folder is dead solid folded or extended. No or little to none recoil with a grenade launcher pad.. So........Sexy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 what do you mean by fitting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bloodline 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 My Ace folder unlocked and folded on me last week during rapid fire. Not cool. It is not the push button one. It's the regular one and I would say it is very tight and even difficult to operate. Anybody ever have this happen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 My Ace folder unlocked and folded on me last week during rapid fire. Not cool. It is not the push button one. It's the regular one and I would say it is very tight and even difficult to operate. Anybody ever have this happen? It is your firing technique. You are holding the gun in such a way that the recoil is pushing the locking surfaces out of alignment. Adjust your firing stance and this should not happen. Dr. Who: I'd recommend you sell your push button job and get a Galil-style folder. Those are designed to be tight and stay tight until they literally wear away to nothing (as your push button internals wear, they'll get looser and looser). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nanolith it is Not a push button. it is this one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 All the spring loaded cam-type ones I've seen are pretty tight.Maybe a tiny bit of wobble on the pivot pin side. I think it's the fit of the pivot pin. The push button ones all wobble some, lately they wobble a lot. Totally unacceptable wobble. I've been tightening them up as I use them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 All the spring loaded cam-type ones I've seen are pretty tight.Maybe a tiny bit of wobble on the pivot pin side. I think it's the fit of the pivot pin.The push button ones all wobble some, lately they wobble a lot. Totally unacceptable wobble. I've been tightening them up as I use them. Well.. I have a push-button Ace folder on my gun, (I might have bought the standard type knowing what I know now), and the wobble isn't really what bothers me. Sure, there is some, (side-to-side), but there's no wobble when I have it shouldered, which is what counts. No, what bothers me about my Ace push-button folder is how much the "push-button", (screw), likes to loosen itself, (to the point that it fell out at one point). Blue loc-tite should fix it, but it's a bit annoying that loc-tite is necessary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REKIII 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I haven't bought the folder yet (waiting for my S-12 to arrive any day now) and had the Ace folder all picked out, mostly becasue it can be flipped to allow the stock to fold the opposite of standard way (I am wrong handed) and thought that might be a nice option. Maybe that benifit does not outweigh the potentiol bad. I was looking at this one: http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/se...ECHANISM/Detail Anyone have a link to a better one? I don't really want to go to the AR style one that they sell. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WGMann 0 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) what do you mean by fitting? I called them cam like but I guess I really should call them wedge surfaces. There are two of them and on mine at least the one nearest the the hinge contacted first not allowing the main one to engage fully. I filled the offending side of the wedge until both were tight. It helped to put a shim over the spring to make it tighter too. What is the correct stance to keep the thing from unlocking? I would like not to use my homemade clamp if I don't need to. It never actually folded up just could feel the spring compress and then snap back into place. Edited August 19, 2009 by WGMann Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I have a ace folder, not the push button. Mine is solid with no wiggle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) ACE RECALL NOTICE Here... looks to be an old notice.. Edited August 20, 2009 by DrWho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Having used both, I actually like the pushbutton one better, but that's just me. It's much easier to open and close, and is actually locked closed as well as open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWho 10 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 just checked my folder. it has the groove and the movement.. back it goes.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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