Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) From another forum site I found out that Lowes has some hole plugs in 3/16" black configuration. Part number 139446 made by Hillman. $1.04 for package of 2. I know you can get them from other sorces, and vendors here, but if you need a couple to plug up a couple of holes, and wander by any Lowes, you might find them "convenient". LOWES Black Hole Plugs You can either search in Lowes with the above number of give them the model number of 881274, and should come out the same. When I put them on my rifle, looks just like a rivet. Just wanted to post this as.... For What It's Worth. Edited August 18, 2009 by Darth AkSarBen 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=3440 Those have been the STANDARD here since '05... but yes, they are awesome!! Even though this is an OLD idea, it is still a phenomenal idea... so I am going to pin this here, so more folks can see it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smloob 0 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 do you know if they have a steel version of these? or is the plastic built good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 depending on the brand, they very in quality, the hillman are pretty good, however I still think they look a little Cheesy, but if your looking for the cheapest way to make those holes go bye bye, then plug, are you choice, unless you weld. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted August 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Looking at the ones on my rifle, they look like rivets, just like the other rivets, dark black, rounded and flush against the receiver. Looks like I would need to grind them off, that's how much they blend in looking like rivets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waynebar 52 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Most local auto parts stores have hardware departments that have these caps made of steel. I found some at Auto Zone. The metal seemed to fit snugger, only problem they are shiny chromed color, need to be scuffed up and painted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) Another alternative to welding are 3/16" torque bolts. The open axis pin holes can be tapped and threaded. The bolts are easy to secure, and the look is very OEM tacticool. As a metalsmith, the idea that these holes need to be welded over, or that this treatment is any more professional than other solutions goes against many years of experience working in metals. I find the blatant condescension of some who choose to weld when it is not absolutely necessary, foolish, self serving, and distasteful. Recently a forum member was distressed because he had welded holes on the bottom of his receiver, and his mag release spring had been annealed in the process. He had wanted to weld up holes "like the pros". The fact is, that when intense heat is applied to metal, the molecules rearange and the metal looses its temper. Unless it is retempered or work hardened, the metal becomes more maleable and will deform more easily. Whether or not to weld over holes in a receiver is a personal decision. Personally, I do not want to rely upon a receiver that has been altered in this manner. Having experience how tough the steel of the S12 receiver is, I was surprised to hear reports about how quickly the rear trunions of some S12's were deforming on setting two with high brass ammo. As a metalsmith I strongly suspected that the receivers on some or most of the guns with this problem had been annealed, or partially annealed via the application of high heat welds. A friend in law enforcement recently asked to borrow a couple of my S12's to shoot at a police only range. The guns were apparently very popular, and a number of LEO's shot hundreds of police issue slug, and buckshot shells through the guns. When he returned the guns (still on setting two) I was extremely concerned, and upon field stripping them, found that although they were pretty dirty, there was no perceptible wear to the rear trunion. The bolt had rotated hard enough in the bolt carrier to raise two small burrs in the bolt channel. The burrs were easily taken down with a rubberized grinding wheel. I am now more convinced than ever that unnecessary welding to S12 receivers should be avoided, and that doing so is anything but professional. WS Edited September 18, 2009 by WaffenSchmied 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h0pper 0 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 excellent post. thanks for putting in the time to get this info out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Has anyone considered U-Drive rivets instead of the nylon hole plugs? it seems like they could be parked and painted and serve as a very permanent solution for those holes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Recently a forum member was distressed because he had welded holes on the bottom of his receiver, and his mag release spring had been annealed in the process. He had wanted to weld up holes "like the pros". The fact is, that when intense heat is applied to metal, the molecules rearange and the metal looses its temper. Unless it is retempered or work hardened, the metal becomes more maleable and will deform more easily. Just saw this and WOW! That welding operation was FOOBARED. If you use a tig, there isn't much heat build-up at all. /me is sitting here trying to imagine what kind of welding job was happening to anneal the mag catch spring . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Yeah, really. I'm no expert welder, yet the purple heat affected areas around my receiver holes were were barely bigger than the holes themselves. My trigger guard is even freakin' MIG'ed on, yet the mag catch spring is fine. If you're not confident in your welding ability, practice on some scrap metal or let somebody else have a go at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve28105 2 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) I used these on my conversion, they worked well. They're hard to get out - had to essentially destroy them with a needle nose in order to remove them, pretty solid. Anyone have any ideas as to how to plug the holes in the bottom of the receiver? It seems they're a tad too small for the 3/16 hole plugs - so i'm seeking out some other options. Any ideas? Edited October 26, 2009 by steve28105 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Anyone have any ideas as to how to plug the holes in the bottom of the receiver? Welding is a fabrication or sculptural process that joins materials, usually metals or thermoplastics, by causing coalescence. This is often done by melting the workpieces and adding a filler material to form a pool of molten material (the weld pool) that cools to become a strong joint, with pressure sometimes used in conjunction with heat, or by itself, to produce the weld. A trip to your local muffler shop and get all the holes done right. Shouldn't cost much of anything, either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Anyone have any ideas as to how to plug the holes in the bottom of the receiver? It seems they're a tad too small for the 3/16 hole plugs - so i'm seeking out some other options. Any ideas? Simple and cheap method would be to just enlarge the bottom hole a bit (drill, dremel) and then the hole plugs will fit. In other words, don't look for smaller plugs, make the hole bigger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I didn't drill out the holes, because I didn't want to remove any more of the reciever than needed to be. So what I did, was slightly and slowly file each side of the plactic plugs, until they were a little smaller and it was still a tight fit in the hole (no puns). Then I took a flat pair of pliers, put a peice of cloth over the plug and slowly squezzed them in. No marks and a tight fit without more drilling. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I'll be honest. I could drill that hole out underneath (in front of the trigger) to 1/4" and I wouldn't be afraid to shoot it at all. Just a few thousandth increase is not going to make much of a difference. When you fire the rifle, the bolt is locked into place in the front trunion area and the rest of the receiver is there for the "structure" of the rails, PG, hammer, etc.. you get the idea. I've still got a hole underneath, but not becuase I am worried about drilling out a bit bigger, but because I'm lazy and it's not noticable. Besides, It's an extra place for the water to drain out of in these WET Michigan fall days!!! LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I'll be honest. I could drill that hole out underneath (in front of the trigger) to 1/4" and I wouldn't be afraid to shoot it at all. Just a few thousandth increase is not going to make much of a difference. When you fire the rifle, the bolt is locked into place in the front trunion area and the rest of the receiver is there for the "structure" of the rails, PG, hammer, etc.. you get the idea. I've still got a hole underneath, but not becuase I am worried about drilling out a bit bigger, but because I'm lazy and it's not noticable. Besides, It's an extra place for the water to drain out of in these WET Michigan fall days!!! LOL Yeah, completely agree with you. By widening the holes there is absolutely no damage done to the receiver. Just a personal thing for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I don't want to meet up with your dog on some dark night...One quick injection then...LUNCH!! LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Why do we even have "sticky" threads anyway? It's much easier for everyone to start a new thread every day isn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 my 12 has JB weld dryng in 2 of the holes, used tape to cover the outside of the hole, then put some JB weld on the inside, tape outa hold it smooth and in place, I'll let you know how it comes out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I don't want to meet up with your dog on some dark night...One quick injection then...LUNCH!! LOL Actually, that is me! I live in Northern VA, and the freak'n rude ass people and crappy drivers just get to me. That is how I look when I arrive at work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpnorris87 3 Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Why not just put solid rivets in the holes? Kinda a pain to fit an bucking bar in the reciever but it can be done. Same with attaching the trigger guard....just rivet it on. Then it really looks like it was made that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pm-40 0 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 From another forum site I found out that Lowes has some hole plugs in 3/16" black configuration. Part number 139446 made by Hillman. $1.04 for package of 2. I know you can get them from other sorces, and vendors here, but if you need a couple to plug up a couple of holes, and wander by any Lowes, you might find them "convenient". LOWES Black Hole Plugs You can either search in Lowes with the above number of give them the model number of 881274, and should come out the same. When I put them on my rifle, looks just like a rivet. Just wanted to post this as.... For What It's Worth. Dinzag through some in with my bullet guide for free . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JBski 6 Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Looking at the ones on my rifle, they look like rivets, just like the other rivets, dark black, rounded and flush against the receiver. Looks like I would need to grind them off, that's how much they blend in looking like rivets. The rifle just looks odd with nothing in the holes, and the extra dummy rivets only look out of place to those who know what they are looking for. I'm glad that I did the same to my rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t3h h4t 0 Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I don't want to meet up with your dog on some dark night...One quick injection then...LUNCH!! LOL Actually, that is me! I live in Northern VA, and the freak'n rude ass people and crappy drivers just get to me. That is how I look when I arrive at work! Sounds about right, I live in Centreville... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkforce 4 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 ace hardware also carries them for 25 cents each Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PoisonYouth 4 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 I don't want to meet up with your dog on some dark night...One quick injection then...LUNCH!! LOL Actually, that is me! I live in Northern VA, and the freak'n rude ass people and crappy drivers just get to me. That is how I look when I arrive at work! Sounds about right, I live in Centreville... Hahaha, as a Fairfax native, I can relate. We have the Worst.Drivers.Ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grimm100 13 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) Anyone have experience using standard rivets on the holes? Like the rivets used for the trigger guard but would need to be ground down a bit. A forum member had a Red Jacket 223 for sale that had the holes filled with steel rivets. Looked like the plastic plugs, but obviously metal. Edited December 30, 2011 by grimm100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Anyone have experience using standard rivets on the holes? Like the rivets used for the trigger guard but would need to be ground down a bit. A forum member had a Red Jacket 223 for sale that had the holes filled with steel rivets. Looked like the plastic plugs, but obviously metal. Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian M1 50 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) I went with the suggested JB Weld method on mine and am VERY happy how it turned out. Taped the inside, put into holes on the outside. When dried, sanded down and resprayed the receiver (wish I hadn't though.. The factory finish is tougher than Rustoleum). Holds up well and is SMOOTH (no signs of any hole mods). If I were to do it again, however... I'd do the same method, but instead just use a dremel to sand the JB down and respray ONLY that section. Edited June 6, 2012 by Brian M1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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