Muslim Honor Killings in the USA

[krusader 1]

2. 99 percent of the worlds terrorist's are muslim.

 

 

6. No other religion demands an unending war against all who disagree with it and will not serve the moon god allah.

 

I guess the other 1 percent are my other countrymen in northern Irland.

 

Jesus spifically said "I did not come to bring peace". & we have the same Lord... Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, AKA God.

These conflicts are all part of the big plan...

 

Christianity is probably the worst when it comes to violence....

:lolol: :lolol:

Oh now THAT'S rich, right there!!!

:lolol: :lolol:

 

 

I would have to say that all the NON-Christian, moral-lacking, no-true-right-and-wrong people who MURDER unborn children have Christianity beat hands-down when it comes to violence....

 

I believe that studies were done on this very subject. If you consider atheism to be a religion (which I do), then it would rank #1 when you take the events of the last 100 years into account. Most people would not consider atheism to be a religion, and Christianity would be the next one down on the list.

 

 

Saying that Nazi germany was not Christian, and that the killings were not motivated is nonsense. The jews were specifically targeted.

 

The fall of the roman empire and the ensuing christian dark ages has put us what, 600+ years back?

 

Yes, Atheism IS a religion. It holds self-warship, evolution & warship of nature at it's core.

They try to cloke it in science, but most people don't call them on the fact that the scientific process requires one to be able to reproduce results in a controlled environment. Otherwise it is THEORY. Hence the THEORY of evolution.

 

WWII Germany was Christian/Catholic, yes.

But the Nazi party was not. National Socialism was their faith. Amphetamine usage was extremely prevalent among party members especially Hitler, Himmler Hess, Mengle & Goebbels. This explains the paranoid state their government was in & how their military moved so fast. (no need for sleep.) (Ours gives it to fighter pilots & others to help them stay alert during extended patrols too)

The Pope condemned Nazi Germany. They didn't excommunicate Hitler as their parishioners would have suffered at the hands of the Nazis if he had. Why they haven't as of yet & why the current Pope, a former Hitler youth hasn't is beyond me.

If you are unaware, most Neo-Nazis say they warship Thor.

 

And a while after the fall of the Roman empire a very powerful German family eventually took control of the Russians, England & a few other countrys. I wish I could remember the families names but under their rule the dark ages took place. Their linage still is royalty in the U.K.

 

 

I am not saying that the Catholic church is Innocent by any means. But without the organization & strength of the Roman empire Christianity would not have been able to spread. This was just part of the Lord's plan... Once the faith was cemented, Martin Luther gave his life to help make the actual scriptures available to the people.

 

I respect the Catholic church, chances are if you have ever been in a hospital they have helped you. My hospital is owned by them, there are even Nuns living in the top of many hospitals. That being said, I was borne catholic... Then I actually read the bible 12 years ago. Now I have a great relationship with the Lord & an understanding of his prophetic message. I do not identify with organized religion though, since most have some type of hypocrisy or another.

 

We do not have the same Lord, your ignorance is forgivable though, to say that allah is God is blasphemy, when the muslims slowly cut someones head off and chant "allah akbar", they are not saying God is great, they are saying allah is great.

allah was the moon idol, Muhammed used him to start his murderous political machine to get money and power and sex slaves and land ETC. Please research your history before you make statements like that, you can easily gain the information to speak to this subject if you want.

Christianity and islam are mutually exclusive, one tells you to love your enemy and to repay evil done to you with good.

The other tells you that everyone who does not submit to your moon idol is your enemy and you are to kill them however you can.

[Paulyski 2,227]

We do not have the same Lord, your ignorance is forgivable though, to say that allah is God is blasphemy, when the muslims slowly cut someones head off and chant "allah akbar", they are not saying God is great, they are saying allah is great.

allah was the moon idol, Muhammed used him to start his murderous political machine to get money and power and sex slaves and land ETC. Please research your history before you make statements like that, you can easily gain the information to speak to this subject if you want.

Christianity and islam are mutually exclusive, one tells you to love your enemy and to repay evil done to you with good.

The other tells you that everyone who does not submit to your moon idol is your enemy and you are to kill them however you can.

 

The God that I believe we speak of is the God of Abraham.

Abraham had 2 sons, Isac & Ishmael. (of this I am certain you are aware) Both faiths claim that our God is the same god that instructed Abraham th take his child & sacrifice him at the place where the dome of the rock & last wall of the ancient Jewish temple sit. The current Islamic faith descended from the children of Ishmael. The current Jewish & Christian faiths descended from Isac.

 

Maybe the west & the east have messages interpreted differently, but they have many of the same origins.

 

Edit: You will be judged by what you know. (that doesn't mean you can pick & choose)

Edited August 23, 2009 by Paulyski

[krusader 1]

We do not have the same Lord, your ignorance is forgivable though, to say that allah is God is blasphemy, when the muslims slowly cut someones head off and chant "allah akbar", they are not saying God is great, they are saying allah is great.

allah was the moon idol, Muhammed used him to start his murderous political machine to get money and power and sex slaves and land ETC. Please research your history before you make statements like that, you can easily gain the information to speak to this subject if you want.

Christianity and islam are mutually exclusive, one tells you to love your enemy and to repay evil done to you with good.

The other tells you that everyone who does not submit to your moon idol is your enemy and you are to kill them however you can.

 

The God that I believe we speak of is the God of Abraham.

Abraham had 2 sons, Isac & Ishmael. (of this I am certain you are aware) Both faiths claim that our God is the same god that instructed Abraham th take his child & sacrifice him at the place where the dome of the rock & last wall of the ancient Jewish temple sit. The current Islamic faith descended from the children of Ishmael. The current Jewish & Christian faiths descended from Isac.

 

Maybe the west & the east have messages interpreted differently, but they have many of the same origins.

 

Edit: You will be judged by what you know. (that doesn't mean you can pick & choose)

 

Sigh

Ishmael is the father of the Arabs, not the muslims!

Muhammad is the one who invented islam, he picked the moon god (idol) allah as his god, he stole some of the history from the Jews and the Christians changing names a bit to use in his teaching the Koran.

Islam is a very young religion about 1400 years old, you can easily read the history of it and then make up your mind.

As far as allah and God being the same, I do hear people say that, but I never hear Jews or Christians say that and I don't believe even the followers of the moon god say it.

So many people think there is one God when it comes to religion. there are many gods, but only one living and true God the creator, and he is not allah.

[t165 30]

Damn Paulyski...Neo-Nazis really idolize Thor as some spiritual guide. I don't get the connection with Norse Mythology and the brutal murders the Nazis practiced. Nonetheless, my avatar is Thor and I am not a practicing Neo-Nazi!

 

Just on a side note...All the various mythologies, Greek, Roman, Egyptian. Norse, Mayan, Chinese, and on and on and on, were all religions which eventually died out. Or at least they are not as popular today. Many were practiced longer than Christianity. And these religions were believed as fervently as the more modern religions. We look back on those worshippers today and mock their beliefs. Religions do seem to come into and out of style for one reason or another. I cannot help but wonder if christianity will be as populay in another 2000 years as it is today? New religions/beliefs are cropping up all the time. I have heard the Bible referred to as the "Jewish book of mythology" many times. I'm not trying to challenge the validity of the Christian faith. However, our religion does have it's enemies and I worry for it's fate!

Edited August 23, 2009 by t165

[Bayoupiper 738]

Just for grins, I called my wiccan buddy.

(I hadn't spoken to him in a while anyway.)

 

I let him know about this thread.

 

He said he is continually amazed at how many pagans try to come off as experts on religion, especially Christianity.

[camon 233]

This would be laughable if it weren't so pitiful.

 

The fact that you attack Christianity at all show a decided lack of morality.

 

 

ROFL. This makes me lol. He lack of morality?? Let me tell you this, Zen has more "morality" than many Christians I know.

 

*takes the gloves off*

Its reasoning like this that makes me LULZ hard.

 

You wanna know what is pitiful? You are pitiful for thinking that unless you are a Christian you are an in-moral, child-raping, baby-killing faggot.

 

Let me tell you this, I am not a Christian, or a Catholic, or whatever by your terms. I believe that Organized religion is the biggest fucking scam around.

 

Prove me wrong: You are forced to go to a church, listen to the propaganda of one person claiming to have "talked to God," sing propaganda songs, and then give your money to the church.

 

DO I believe there is a god? Don't see him, don't care.

Do I believe Jesus existed? Yes to an extent. I consider Jesus to be the ancient times Hitler or Lenin, a man born in a bad time with radical ideas and beliefs.

Do I believe in the afterlife? Yes and No. I believe that there is something after death. What it is I could care less until I die.

 

Does that mean I'm going to fuck guys in the ass, buy hookers, kill people, and abort babies?? Hell no. And why you ask? Because even though I don't believe in your religion I still believe that every sentient-being is sacred.

 

Who am I to take a someone's life unless my own hangs in the balance? Do I believe in abortion? Yes and no. No just getting an abortion because you fucked when you weren't ready is wrong and is an awful easy out. However if I was told that my Wife had a 90% chance of not surviving birth and abortion was the only way to save her then HELL FUCKING YES I would press that GTFO button faster than you can say OM NOM NOM FETUS.

 

Like Zen I am also now finished posting in this thread before I get B& for going any further.

 

TL:DR STFU that unless you are a Christian you are wrong.

Edited August 23, 2009 by camon

[Twinsen 86]

Good old government. Gonna get somebody killed because you can't let somebody break red tape for less than a year. In less than a year, she's 18 and can do whatever she wants. But no, you gotta force her to die. And if she protects herself from death, they'll probably imprison her.

[Bayoupiper 738]

ROFL. This makes me lol. He lack of morality?? Let me tell you this, Zen has more "morality" than many Christians I know.

 

*takes the gloves off*

Its reasoning like this that makes me LULZ hard.

 

You wanna know what is pitiful? You are pitiful for thinking that unless you are a Christian you are an in-moral, child-raping, baby-killing faggot.

 

Let me tell you this, I am not a Christian, or a Catholic, or whatever by your terms. I believe that Organized religion is the biggest fucking scam around.

 

Prove me wrong: You are forced to go to a church, listen to the propaganda of one person claiming to have "talked to God," sing propaganda songs, and then give your money to the church.

 

DO I believe there is a god? Don't see him, don't care.

Do I believe Jesus existed? Yes to an extent. I consider Jesus to be the ancient times Hitler or Lenin, a man born in a bad time with radical ideas and beliefs.

Do I believe in the afterlife? Yes and No. I believe that there is something after death. What it is I could care less until I die.

 

Does that mean I'm going to fuck guys in the ass, buy hookers, kill people, and abort babies?? Hell no. And why you ask? Because even though I don't believe in your religion I still believe that every sentient-being is sacred.

 

Who am I to take a someone's life unless my own hangs in the balance? Do I believe in abortion? Yes and no. No just getting an abortion because you fucked when you weren't ready is wrong and is an awful easy out. However if I was told that my Wife had a 90% chance of not surviving birth and abortion was the only way to save her then HELL FUCKING YES I would press that GTFO button faster than you can say OM NOM NOM FETUS.

 

Like Zen I am also now finished posting in this thread before I get B& for going any further.

 

TL:DR STFU that unless you are a Christian you are wrong.

 

 

 

 

Put your gloves back on.

 

Show me where I said anything along the lines of "unless you are a Christian you are an in-moral, child-raping, baby-killing faggot."

 

Your opinion on religion is just that, YOUR opinion.

 

And quit trying to put words in people's mouths because you suck at it.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Damn Paulyski...Neo-Nazis really idolize Thor as some spiritual guide. I don't get the connection with Norse Mythology and the brutal murders the Nazis practiced. Nonetheless, my avatar is Thor and I am not a practicing Neo-Nazi!

 

Just on a side note...All the various mythologies, Greek, Roman, Egyptian. Norse, Mayan, Chinese, and on and on and on, were all religions which eventually died out. Or at least they are not as popular today. Many were practiced longer than Christianity. And these religions were believed as fervently as the more modern religions. We look back on those worshippers today and mock their beliefs. Religions do seem to come into and out of style for one reason or another. I cannot help but wonder if christianity will be as populay in another 2000 years as it is today? New religions/beliefs are cropping up all the time. I have heard the Bible referred to as the "Jewish book of mythology" many times. I'm not trying to challenge the validity of the Christian faith. However, our religion does have it's enemies and I worry for it's fate!

 

At least the Neo-nazis around me, when asked about faith state "Thor" or "Oden" & this tends to be embraced by "Nazi Low Riders" & some in the "Aryan Brotherhood" this is not to credible however as the people I speak of generally are not of the highest intellect & most likely never research their professed faiths.

 

When I was much younger I knew a few of these types, & saw their indoctranation literature. It is some UGLY shit. Others try in vain to warp Christianity to no avail. Such as "Aryan Nations's, Christian Identity"

 

As for 2000 years from now, I do not know. After the second coming, Christ will reign for 1000 years on earth, Prophecy does not state what will happen after that.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Sigh

Ishmael is the father of the Arabs, not the muslims!

Muhammad is the one who invented islam, he picked the moon god (idol) allah as his god, he stole some of the history from the Jews and the Christians changing names a bit to use in his teaching the Koran.

Islam is a very young religion about 1400 years old, you can easily read the history of it and then make up your mind.

As far as allah and God being the same, I do hear people say that, but I never hear Jews or Christians say that and I don't believe even the followers of the moon god say it.

So many people think there is one God when it comes to religion. there are many gods, but only one living and true God the creator, and he is not allah.

I have never personally read the Koran nor will I ever, I have my own rules & I am more than happy with them.

As for the "Moon God" Named Sin as well as many other names, maybe they do look to him secretly, However the Islamics that I have spoken to say that they warship the same god that they claim instructed Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael. they claim it was Ishmael, not Isac that was the test of Abraham.

Of course My beliefs differ.

 

It wont be to long before all arguments are settled...

 

It is interesting however that the Cresent moon is the symbol of this ancient moon god.

Edited August 24, 2009 by Paulyski

[naveed 0]

The whole moon idol thing is ridiculous. Muslims don't believe in icons period. Icons are what split the Greek Orthodox from the Roman Catholic church. They're teachings are more about eliminating idols than worshiping them. I think this is one of the reasons the founding fathers were deists. They believed in a Creator but did not adhere to any religion. I find when reading a lot of texts by Thomas Jefferson you realize how well rounded and cultured our forefathers were. If anything, technology and cheaper books and publications should have forced people to learn more but it has just done the opposite. I think we can all agree that extremism in any form whether God-adhering or not has left countries and people in turmoil. The Crusades are a perfect example of that. The Crusaders killed plenty Christians and Jews on the way there and did so when they got there too. At the same time, the creation of Wahabbi Islam has spread turmoil in the Muslim world and the west. I read a real good book by Stephen Schwartz called the Two faces of Islam which explains the Wahabbi and traditional sunni ideology. The success in Iraq has been largely due to these sunni factions allying with the US and fighting off the extremists.

[zenmetsu 17]

Just for grins, I called my wiccan buddy.

(I hadn't spoken to him in a while anyway.)

 

I let him know about this thread.

 

He said he is continually amazed at how many pagans try to come off as experts on religion, especially Christianity.

 

I believe that this comment was targeted at me. Paulyski, back me up here. You seem to have a pretty solid grasp of Christianity. Did I say anything in particular that was false about Christianity?

 

I know that I stated that I was not going to argue any more in this thread, but apparently some people are not easily offended, so I shall once again contribute.

 

EVERYTHING has it's pros and cons. I cannot lie and say that my religion is perfect. I sure as hell will not lie and say that another religion is without flaws. I am not attacking *YOU* when I bring these shortcomings to light. All that I am trying to do is show that the other religions really are not much more different than your own. Once this is realized, all the hatred, fear, jealousy and religious intolerance in the world becomes a sign of immaturity and ignorance.

 

Part of what makes this world such a great place to live in *IS* the cultural diversity that we share. It would be a boring world indeed if everyone was a carbon-copy clone and went around believing the same things and doing the same things.

 

---

You may not care about this at all, but let me share my story with you so that you may, perhaps, gain some insight. I was born into a Christian family and was baptized. I went to Sunday school and church and began my life as countless others. I had been graced with a higher than normal intellectual capacity, but unfortunately this caused me great turmoil. I quickly made the "Santa-Claus, easter-bunny,tooth-fairy,Jesus" discovery and my life, at age 8, was thrown into turmoil. I had panic attacks. I was subjected to inner struggles that the church, with their best counseling, could not over-come. I guess you could say that I had my mid-life crisis about 3 decades early.

 

This whole experience was one of the worst things that I ever experienced and one that no kid should ever go through. What did *I* do to deserve this? Was I guilty of some sin? Did I forsake the Christian god somehow? Did he forsake me? I was placed on a barren field with countless unmarked trails and was forced to find my own way. I chose the path of science. I became skeptical of anything not based upon facts. I had become an atheist, and science was my religion. I still had my struggles, but I plodded through life and tried to keep my mind off of the unpleasant facts of life.

 

At age 17 I had a spiritual encounter while alone in the woods of northern Michigan while camping in the winter while waiting for a friend to show up. I will not bore anyone with the details, but this experience was enough to shake my little scientific world to the core. I could not find any logical explanation for what happened. None. Once I had returned home, I began to search for an answer and started doing reading on various religions until I found something that connected. I had, once again, been saved. I had made my peace with the world

---

 

When you look at the world's ancient religions, you realize that the polytheistic faiths were all very much similar. The norse gods and goddesses had their parallels in the greek, egyptian and roman spheres. They all went by many names, but essentially there was one global faith. Even when you look at the western world's ancient civilizations... the maya, the inca... their faiths were remarkably similar. You had gods and goddesses which served to explain the unknown. Where did the seasons come from? Where did language come from? Wisdom, war, love, hate, the sun, the moon, the stars... night and day... there was a religious explanation for all of these things.

 

As similar as all these ancient religions were, we had the pharaoh Akhenaten of Egypt attempt to throw out all the gods and worship only the sun god. His ideas were not very popular... but after his death the Aten cult practiced in secrecy. This is known fact. Now, I am a firm believer in logic and making educated guesses. Occam's razor would dictate that Moses himself was part of the Aten cult and led his group out of slavery in Egypt, thus starting the legacy of the Jewish people and giving birth to the Abrahamic faiths.

 

If this is indeed the case, everyone who practices an Abrahamic faith is merely worshipping the same sun god which has been around since antiquity. Whether you call him Jehovah, Sól, Sunna, Ra, Amaterasu, Tonatiuh, Mitra, Svarog, Allah, Helios, or simply "God", it does not matter. We are all brothers and we share the same fate.

 

Religion does not cause war. Religious fear, intolerance, and ignorance cause war. If you want eternal peace on this planet you have three options: work to promote religious tolerance, eliminate all but one religion, or kill off every human on the planet. You are an absolute fool for trying to go about it any other way, it simply will not happen. Unfortunately people seem to be trying option #2 and this will never work. It will only ensure warfare a place in the human way of life until we are extinct.

 

On that note... I believe that any time politics or religion is brought up in a thread that it should be moved to fight club. Inevitably there will be passionate responses to such things. Some of us enjoy such debate, but some people would rather do without.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Just for grins, I called my wiccan buddy.

(I hadn't spoken to him in a while anyway.)

 

I let him know about this thread.

 

He said he is continually amazed at how many pagans try to come off as experts on religion, especially Christianity.

 

I believe that this comment was targeted at me. Paulyski, back me up here. You seem to have a pretty solid grasp of Christianity. Did I say anything in particular that was false about Christianity?

 

Hey Bro, Look up ^ That was Will, Not me.

 

I personally Dislike the Santa clause, easter bunny & tooth fairy rituals that some subject their kids to because I do not believe in mixing fact with obvious fiction. It is like telling a kid that they will think they can fly & jump off a building after smoking marijuana. When they figure out you lied about that, they figure you lied about meth too. This is a problem with lieing, You lose credibility.

 

I was borne Roman Catholic, but my folks never pressured me. I got pissed @ the world @ age 14-16 & claimed to be atheist, although I knew deep down that I was wrong.

 

I always, since the age of 8, somehow knew I was in for a hell of a show. At age 19, I sought & I found. OH BOY did I find. & I can identify with experiencing things that would shake an Atheist to the core...

 

A special theological debate forum would be an appropriate place for this debate. NOT FIGHTCLUB. But we don't have one.

I hardly think that Surly's deep throat comments, aynew's sarcasm or crusader12's idiotics have much of a place in a thealogical debate. These type of comments during this type of debate result in grudges that do not die.

[zenmetsu 17]

Just for grins, I called my wiccan buddy.

(I hadn't spoken to him in a while anyway.)

 

I let him know about this thread.

 

He said he is continually amazed at how many pagans try to come off as experts on religion, especially Christianity.

 

I believe that this comment was targeted at me. Paulyski, back me up here. You seem to have a pretty solid grasp of Christianity. Did I say anything in particular that was false about Christianity?

 

Hey Bro, Look up ^ That was Will, Not me.

 

 

Paulyski,

I know Will said it. I figured that since you were Christian, I could ask if anything I said was overly offensive to a Christian such as yourself or if anything I said was blatantly false. I am always in favor of constructive criticism and if I am wrong, I enjoy learning the truth.

 

Will,

I *NEVER* advocated any particular faith in this thread. I never said any one faith is superior to any other. Trying to convince me that my faith is wrong is just as futile as me trying to do the same to you. I will not be converted. I will stop believing in my gods when my heart stops beating, and even then, I will likely continue to believe.

 

Because of this, those three options I gave for world peace start to look rather grim. Option #2, eliminating all but one faith, cannot be done without bloodshed. This is why we have these retarded religious wars. People are not thinking about all the options.

 

Here is an interesting proposition for you. Let us assume, just for a moment, that I decide to go with option #3 and find a way to eradicate the human race instantly while leaving the other wildlife intact. If you are a firm believer in the Christian faith, all I would be doing is sending everyone directly to judgement and all is well. There would be eternal peace on earth (until birds or something become sentient and repeat the cycle). Despite the billions of deaths, I would be preventing countless deaths in the long run... right? It sure as hell is more likely to succeed that trying to employ option #2 and eliminate all other faiths.

 

Do I propose such a thing? Of course not! I believe in option #1. I preach tolerance and education. Sure, it is not as likely to succeed as simply wiping out the race, but it does not involve violence and is sure as hell a better option than trying to eliminate other faiths.

 

I agree, a separate forum section might be best for such things.

Edited August 24, 2009 by zenmetsu

[Paulyski 2,227]

Just for grins, I called my wiccan buddy.

(I hadn't spoken to him in a while anyway.)

 

I let him know about this thread.

 

He said he is continually amazed at how many pagans try to come off as experts on religion, especially Christianity.

 

I believe that this comment was targeted at me. Paulyski, back me up here. You seem to have a pretty solid grasp of Christianity. Did I say anything in particular that was false about Christianity?

 

Hey Bro, Look up ^ That was Will, Not me.

 

 

Paulyski,

I know Will said it. I figured that since you were Christian, I could ask if anything I said was overly offensive to a Christian such as yourself or if anything I said was blatantly false. I am always in favor of constructive criticism and if I am wrong, I enjoy learning the truth.

I agree, a separate forum section might be best for such things.

when debating theological issues people can get very defensive. It is our duty to our Lord to spread the word & answer questions to the best of our abilities..

The only thing that I read that could have been taken as offensive was the beginning statement about Christians being more bloodthirsty (paraphrasing) than other faiths. NEVER take anything personal during a theological debate. They are debating viewpoints & theological doctrines. Not personal attributes.

[Bayoupiper 738]

Hey Bro, Look up ^ That was Will, Not me.

 

I personally Dislike the Santa clause, easter bunny & tooth fairy rituals that some subject their kids to because I do not believe in mixing fact with obvious fiction. It is like telling a kid that they will think they can fly & jump off a building after smoking marijuana. When they figure out you lied about that, they figure you lied about meth too. This is a problem with lieing, You lose credibility.

 

I was borne Roman Catholic, but my folks never pressured me. I got pissed @ the world @ age 14-16 & claimed to be atheist, although I knew deep down that I was wrong.

 

I always, since the age of 8, somehow knew I was in for a hell of a show. At age 19, I sought & I found. OH BOY did I find. & I can identify with experiencing things that would shake an Atheist to the core...

 

A special theological debate forum would be an appropriate place for this debate. NOT FIGHTCLUB. But we don't have one.

I hardly think that Surly's deep throat comments, aynew's sarcasm or crusader12's idiotics have much of a place in a thealogical debate. These type of comments during this type of debate result in grudges that do not die.

 

 

I think I have been pretty tolerant in this thread.

 

But if you think I'm going to let you get away with trashing Santa you can forget it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Bayoupiper 738]

Paulyski,

I know Will said it. I figured that since you were Christian, I could ask if anything I said was overly offensive to a Christian such as yourself or if anything I said was blatantly false. I am always in favor of constructive criticism and if I am wrong, I enjoy learning the truth.

 

Will,

I *NEVER* advocated any particular faith in this thread. I never said any one faith is superior to any other. Trying to convince me that my faith is wrong is just as futile as me trying to do the same to you. I will not be converted. I will stop believing in my gods when my heart stops beating, and even then, I will likely continue to believe.

 

Because of this, those three options I gave for world peace start to look rather grim. Option #2, eliminating all but one faith, cannot be done without bloodshed. This is why we have these retarded religious wars. People are not thinking about all the options.

 

Here is an interesting proposition for you. Let us assume, just for a moment, that I decide to go with option #3 and find a way to eradicate the human race instantly while leaving the other wildlife intact. If you are a firm believer in the Christian faith, all I would be doing is sending everyone directly to judgement and all is well. There would be eternal peace on earth (until birds or something become sentient and repeat the cycle). Despite the billions of deaths, I would be preventing countless deaths in the long run... right? It sure as hell is more likely to succeed that trying to employ option #2 and eliminate all other faiths.

 

Do I propose such a thing? Of course not! I believe in option #1. I preach tolerance and education. Sure, it is not as likely to succeed as simply wiping out the race, but it does not involve violence and is sure as hell a better option than trying to eliminate other faiths.

 

I agree, a separate forum section might be best for such things.

 

 

 

It wasn't a slam.

 

He is the only really intelligent pagan I know and I was only relating what he said.

 

He has also been just about the best friend you could have!

 

I'm not going to put down any religion except Islam because they seem to currently be at war with the world.

[Paulyski 2,227]

I think I have been pretty tolerant in this thread.

 

But if you think I'm going to let you get away with trashing Santa you can forget it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

I'm not necessarily trashing Santa... There is definitely something to be said about grown men that like to dress up in disguises with fake beards & bribe little kids to sit on their laps with promises of toys that they have no intention of giving them...

[Bayoupiper 738]

I'm not necessarily trashing Santa... There is definitely something to be said about grown men that like to dress up in disguises with fake beards & bribe little kids to sit on their laps with promises of toys that they have no intention of giving them...

 

 

 

[zenmetsu 17]

I'm not necessarily trashing Santa... There is definitely something to be said about grown men that like to dress up in disguises with fake beards & bribe little kids to sit on their laps with promises of toys that they have no intention of giving them...

 

 

 

 

i suddenly feel as if I were previously violated...