kencrawleysc 11 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Would the double-stacker make the MD20 obsolete? In the scenario of First-wave zombie attack (or circus train derailment full of rabid polar bears in my case) the first defense load with the MD20 makes sense, then use the chest rig full of mags. How many rounds is your engineering prototype again? Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Thanks Tony. I am hoping to get a video for everyone soon. And when can we expect to see this? !!! By the way, I think there's new legislation to ... ban Teasing ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Would the double-stacker make the MD20 obsolete? I don't think so because the MD20 would still offer an equal or greater capacity in a much shorter (albeit wider) package. Even if weight is the same, shorter mags are less cumbersome than long mags, and the MD20, while it would be wider than a 20 round double-stack mag, would still be quite a bit shorter. Afterall the MD20 is shorter than the 8 round single stack box mags, and really not even that much taller than the 5 round single stack box mags, while a double-stack 20 round box mag would probably be a bit taller than a single-stack 10 round mag. In any sort of real life scenario (i.e. a civilian self-defense scenario, or any law enforcement or military scenerio), a shotgun with a short, wide 20 round drum mag would definitely be preferable to one with a much longer 20 round double-stack box mag, because the user would be a lot less likely to catch the shorter drum on anything, when say indoors or when getting into or out of a vehicle. Shooting competitions would be another matter, since at a typical IPSC or three gun shooting competition the runs are all set up outside, where there is lots of space to maneuver and not really anything for the shotgun or its mag to get caught on. So in this specific case, whether a competitor would prefer to use a shorter 20 round drum or a taller 20 round double-stack box mag, would probably come down to personal preference (and of course cost) more than anything else. I have no idea what capacities Mike will bring these double-stack mags out in to start with, but I would guess they will be in the 10 to 15 round range to start (with higher capacities coming later), and once they hit the market I think they will for the most part pretty much replace all the single stack 8, 10, and 12 round mags (except in cases where for whatever reason a user just needs a thin magazine). A double-stack mag is just so much more vertically space efficient than a single-stack mag that there really just wouldn’t be any reason not to prefer them. Cost will of course be a factor as well, but if like he says Mike can bring these mags to market at a price close to what the AGP and Surefire mags are currently going for, then again there just won’t be any reason not to prefer then to any of the currently available single-stack mags (I am sure AGP and Surefire are hoping Mike won’t be able to sell them at that price point though, otherwise they will have to lower their pricing down to Promag levels if they want to keep selling their mags). Edited December 14, 2009 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) Tony said flawless......oh boy oh boy oh boy, i just wish the DS mags and the drum could smack into the same MD Arms magwell.... edit to add: although I know nothing. Im just wishing here. Edited December 15, 2009 by Azkamidaka Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Thanks Tony. I am hoping to get a video for everyone soon. And when can we expect to see this? !!! By the way, I think there's new legislation to ... ban Teasing ! So ahhh how's that video comming? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mgconnor13 206 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Flawless?! I'm drewling in an anticipation of a DS mag. I don't any of us can take much more teasing mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullerbjorn 0 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I hope the exterior of the mag resembles a USAS-12 mag, but then again it's whats on the inside that counts Flawless?! I'm drewling in an anticipation of a DS mag. I don't any of us can take much more teasing mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Hello, Mike I'm hoping there will be no inherent shell limitations, such as the Federal L/E full-power buckshot loads, for instance.... Respectfully, guido 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I'm hoping there will be no inherent shell limitations, such as the Federal L/E full-power buckshot loads, for instance.... Are you talking about any limitations on shell length? Mike said back in post #21 that these mags will work with both 2-3/4" and 3" shells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hello, Frogfoot Yeah, that probably covers it. I haven't really been following this thread very closely, just a little disappointed that my favorite loads don't run in my drums, I reckon. At least the last time I checked. Maybe a workaround has been developed? I do have some S&B 3" 00 buck that would find a home in these mag's, as well...... Respectfully posted, guido I'm hoping there will be no inherent shell limitations, such as the Federal L/E full-power buckshot loads, for instance.... Are you talking about any limitations on shell length? Mike said back in post #21 that these mags will work with both 2-3/4" and 3" shells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sudaevpps43 31 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Hello, Frogfoot Yeah, that probably covers it. I haven't really been following this thread very closely, just a little disappointed that my favorite loads don't run in my drums, I reckon. At least the last time I checked. Maybe a workaround has been developed? I do have some S&B 3" 00 buck that would find a home in these mag's, as well...... Respectfully posted, guido Mike said in some other post a few years ago (back when he first announced the MD-20) that for the Saiga 12 a drum could be designed to fire either 2-3/4" shells or 3" shells but not both, and since for most 12 gauge shooters the 2-3/4" shells are more popular than the 3" shells, that was why he designed the MD-20 to take 2-3/4" shells rather than 3". I think Mike has said that he will be making a 3" shell compatible drum at some point, but of course right now he is obviously concentrating on getting these double-stack mags to market first. Edited January 4, 2010 by Frogfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shangrila 0 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Put me on the list for prebuy, I'm still kicking myself for not getting in on the drums in time . Based on what I've seen from Mike, these will be high quality, well thought out and designed toys for us saiga-lovers. Put me on the list for prebuy, I'm still kicking myself for not getting in on the drums in time . Based on what I've seen from Mike, these will be high quality, well thought out and well designed toys for us saiga-lovers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yeah, ditto that, I was just hoping they would run my "pet" 2-3/4" shells. guido Hello, Frogfoot Yeah, that probably covers it. I haven't really been following this thread very closely, just a little disappointed that my favorite loads don't run in my drums, I reckon. At least the last time I checked. Maybe a workaround has been developed? I do have some S&B 3" 00 buck that would find a home in these mag's, as well...... Respectfully posted, guido Mike said in some other post a few years ago (back when he first announced the MD-20) that for the Saiga 12 a drum could be designed to fire either 2-3/4" shells or 3" shells but not both, and since for most 12 gauge shooters the 2-3/4" shells are more popular than the 3" shells, that was why he designed the MD-20 to take 2-3/4" shells rather than 3". I think Mike has said that he will be making a 3" shell compatible drum at some point, but of course right now he is obviously concentrating on getting these double-stack mags to market first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SELFDEFENSE 2 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Pre-buy for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 need MD stick mags! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) Dear Lord in heaven, Please help Mike Davidson right along with his double stack magazines. I often see saiga 12 systems with magwells from other sources integrated with their respective magazines but to be truthful lord I have been waiting for Mike's magwell because it was the first one I ever heard of and although some other companies seemed to have beat him to be first to market I still wish Mr. D the utmost success because I bought two of his drummies with hopes that one day they too may be MD magwell compatable. I honestly feel that Mike is the man for the job and his magazines will be superior as long as they have some magwell designed to mate with them. In your name we pray. Amen. P.S. Please dear Lord in heaven please please please help Mike right along with some kind of video that protects his ideas and simultaneously lets us see any small detail to satiate our increasing curiosity and to set our support in stone. Amen. Edited January 15, 2010 by Azkamidaka Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Patience, Hell. Gotto go Kill Something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GuyFoX 24 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I keep seeing a bunch of posts saying "sign me up for pre-buy", which has got me wondering. Does posting that actually put you on a pre-buy list? If so, I DEFINITELY want some! Would the initial(pre-buy?) price be different than the standard price once these MUCH anticipated mags & magwell are released? I've been subscribed to this thread for a while, and keep hoping to see an announcement from Mr. M.D., but it's just more people anxious to get their mits on the MDoublstacks & magwell, the Saiga 12 holy grail! Put me on the list for prebuy, I'm still kicking myself for not getting in on the drums in time . Based on what I've seen from Mike, these will be high quality, well thought out and well designed toys for us saiga-lovers. Huh? You didn't get the drums in time for what? They didn't disappear, you can still buy one(or two, or three... ). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
presto_z 125 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 ive been checking this thread everyday waiting for an update... i want on or two or five really bad.. cant wait till they're available Quote Link to post Share on other sites
capt_bob 0 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Yes Mike please hurry. Just sold my 12 round surefires so I can replace them with double stacks and now I feel a little naked. Only have a drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith120286 7 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 In for some doublestacks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Keith120286 7 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) In for some doublestacks. **ooops doublepost** Edited January 21, 2010 by Keith120286 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
veprk 12 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 think we can get a update Mike,its been awhile Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VincentYGB 0 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Put me down for 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
veprk 12 Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Any info on these Mike? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kencrawleysc 11 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Let's buy up the rest of his drums and then he will be FORCED to put them on the shelves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted January 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 I will be giving a more detailed update on these soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 uuuugggghhh thats like a kick in the balls before the BJ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davepars7 1 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Seesh calm down peeps, the "mans" working on it. Get ready for another year wait if that's what it takes, these things take time and lots of it. I know where all excited but don't take it out on mike. In for 4 btw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannyfantasy2000 68 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 uuuugggghhh thats like a kick in the balls before the BJ. Many lulz dude. Mike, let us know when! I'm ready to buy a few! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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