G O B 3,516 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 With asshat wannbe crybabys like you guys, Mike probably won't be coming around here again. I don't blame him a bit If I were in in his place I would make one last post: FUCK OFF! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 With asshat wannbe crybabys like you guys, Mike probably won't be coming around here again. I don't blame him a bit If I were in in his place I would make one last post: FUCK OFF! without "wanna be crybabys" like the people on here there would be no md arms. People are just venting their frustration, mikes drum has been a great product and people want the quality of the drum in a stick mag. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 One thing that makes this Country Great is that when Companies care about the opinions of their customers, they thrive! If a company told the customers that pay their bills to F off, they might take their business elsewhere! Customer Service is Number One in any business!!! If you promise something and then don't deliver ... then your just like The Government! Who wants to deal with a company like that!!! Poop or get off the pot ... or at least let your customers know whats going on. I'm done crying now, Need to go look for my box of tissues!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spanky 4 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) With asshat wannbe crybabys like you guys, Mike probably won't be coming around here again. I don't blame him a bit If I were in in his place I would make one last post: FUCK OFF! Wow, what an intelligent comment. You obviously have no business sense. Edited December 20, 2011 by spanky 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAAnew 162 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 When Mike stays off for a while, he comes back with great things. Wouldn't surprise me if he logged in during mid to late January with a big announcement. The guy is the biggest flake on the planet...............we will never see these 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 We have already been teased plenty and he already gave us the bad news that he had a change of plan and that quad stack AK mags would come before DS S12 mags.... and I don't see any quad AK mags.... there's our sign. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 When mike was selling off alot of his stock pile S-12's and alot of his inventory to Cope's to disturbite it was because he just bought a larger shop and had to move all the equipment plus he said he was buying more machines to try to keep as much as possible in house. I am betting the move took longer than he thought to get in and setup. Plus when he released the MD-20 it was to a small nitch group of guys when he releases the quad stack it will be to 10 times the amount of people so I am sure he is wanting to a ware house full before selling so there is no wait. When the first MD-20's came out he was getting bombarded with E-mails cause in underestimaited the demand. JMO. And last I checked this is america and there is no dead line for these to come out when he teased us he said he would like, not they would be out by fall. If I remember right the drum was late also. The mags will come give it some time. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 + 1 Go get em MIKE! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I would rather wait for a product as good as the MD-20, than settle for a product like the AA-20! Good mags seem to be like good wiskey- it takes time! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 So with everybody bitching Mike out and telling us that MD Arms can suck on a fattie.....who wants to invest into the tooling to make their own double stack mags? I recall Mike selling a fair amount of personal property to help raise the capital for the MD-20. Then he needed more so he did a pre-order which turned ugly. Now you guys are complaining about not being able to pre-buy this time? When its ready its ready. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zombiehunter762 376 Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 When he has them I will get a few. I'm patient and can wait. I'm in no hurry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garzanium 5 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 This reminds me a lot of the Magpul forum on a different site..a lot of anticipation followed by grown men acting like 12 yr old girls who didnt get what they wanted for Christmas!! Lots of bitchin about the release date of a 60 rd pmag- Magpul responded with something similar to : its easy to make 1 or 2 good functional mags..making thousands, not so easy". I think the same is applicable. Magpul no longer releases info on projects they are working on due to ppl. getting carried away when they dont get what they want when they want it..MD should/will probably do the same as it makes sense. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Magpul no longer releases info on projects they are working on due to ppl. getting carried away when they dont get what they want when they want it..MD should/will probably do the same as it makes sense. You Hit the Nail on the head ... He should have never Started any Treads RE Double Stack Mags until he was at least close to ready. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D0KH0L1D43 3 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Good luck Mike. I know how much effort it takes running your own small business so just keep your nose to the grindstone and stay the course. Stuff will get done in good time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet 1 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 I just picked up a Kel-Tec PMR-30 in February. It shoots rimmed .22 WMR. The double stack magazines have fed the rimmed cartridges flawlessly through a case of 1000 rounds. Slow or rapid fire, no hiccups. A closer look at this design, with 12-gauge shells in mind, may shed some beneficial tips on what could be applied to the S-12 app. -P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magineer 9 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Edited March 29, 2012 by Magineer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deadeye 325 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 here is just an idea that I was thinking might work. I am not good at paint. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) SAAAYYY WHAAAT!!! SUCK IT CLOWNS! EPIC WIN! EEEPPPIIICCC SHOT GUN MAGAZINE WINNN!!!!! Stood behind the man the whole time, this design is under patent application now. Good job Mike! Edited March 28, 2012 by Azkamidaka 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I really dig how it shares the same reinforcement design of his drum. The one promag copied. I never bought a promag because of that. Glad I waited to buy any more mags! So hyped now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Two (2) Years, Seven (7) Months and counting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Two (2) Years, Seven (7) Months and counting. I wasnt around when the MD20 thing started but didnt it take quite a bit of time (2yrs or so) without any patent issues? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magineer 9 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Edited March 29, 2012 by Magineer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvhanh20 1,052 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Many people just don't understand how risky moving forward and investing time and money into this weapon has been! When it comes to plastic mags, I personally think Mike takes the time to do it right, right materials, right design, right timing. Producing anything for this weapon in the past has been very risky with them threatening to banned it every other week, and It takes big balls to stay in the game and to keep throwing tons of money into new product lines, tooling, manufacturing, etc. My hats off to you Mike for even trying to do this, let alone moving forward, to patent and no doubt production. We have risk everything in the worst economy in our life time, to take this weapon from a duck gun to a platform that allows people to walk into their local range and go "yeah that's right, i own that!" 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Considering the time frame that the patent was filed, care to share a quick vid of the live fire......we all know you've been playing 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weaponx 18 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Two (2) Years, Seven (7) Months and counting. I wasnt around when the MD20 thing started but didnt it take quite a bit of time (2yrs or so) without any patent issues? yes it was about 2 years with a preorder. people cried every other week to cancel their orders. as for the patent issues not sure. but this i know, they are the best drums for the saiga 12. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ckrockets 24 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 you've pretty much summed up every gun forum on the internet... With asshat wannbe crybabys like you guys, Mike probably won't be coming around here again. I don't blame him a bit If I were in in his place I would make one last post: FUCK OFF! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sickness 89 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Many people just don't understand how risky moving forward and investing time and money into this weapon has been! When it comes to plastic mags, I personally think Mike takes the time to do it right, right materials, right design, right timing. Producing anything for this weapon in the past has been very risky with them threatening to banned it every other week, and It takes big balls to stay in the game and to keep throwing tons of money into new product lines, tooling, manufacturing, etc. My hats off to you Mike for even trying to do this, let alone moving forward, to patent and no doubt production. We have risk everything in the worst economy in our life time, to take this weapon from a duck gun to a platform that allows people to walk into their local range and go "yeah that's right, i own that!" Well said. I'm glad to see some positive news in this area. I had full confidence that Mike wouldn't let us down, so long as things remained stable on the political side. Personally, I don't care about large capacity, so even if a political magazine capacity limit were put in place again, I'd still be in the market for a shit load of these mags. I don't like the drum partly because of the bulk, and partly because of the weight of 20 shells. But I'd love to see short, compact 10 or 12 rounders that rival or even best the quality of the factory Russian mags. This whole thread shows that people around here don't take the time to consider that while the US aftermarket arena is what makes the S12 great, this entire cottage industry could be wiped out in a heartbeat simply because some ATF asshat gets a bug up his ass one day.. we all know the ATF is largely capricious and arbitrary. Think about what it would mean for any of these vendors to be stuck with a large amount of inventory. It would be brutal. That is a level of risk that is really rather insane. I think all you guys are out of your minds for making any of this stuff That said, things keep evolving due to the likes of Mike and Cam because they are gun nuts like the rest of us and want to make the platform better. But at the end of the day, everyone has to eat - and while I, and most folks around here, have the luxury of being able to do that regardless of what happens to the S12, you have to cut people slack when its their ass on the line. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) yes it was about 2 years with a preorder. people cried every other week to cancel their orders. as for the patent issues not sure. but this i know, they are the best drums for the saiga 12. I agree, they are the best drums available, and IMO, even at twice what the competition costs. So we take all the information Mike has given and whats available online (here). 1.The MD20 took ~2yrs to come to fruition. 2.Dealing with patents for protection on these DS mags. He didnt do with the MD20 (stated by Mike in other threads). 3.Design of DS mags. Which we all should know is not an easy task, otherwise there would be plenty of DS rimmed cartridge mags for all mag fed rimmed cartridge guns. But firearms history shows us there isnt, so its a tough design too accomplish! 4.Building a dealer network which hes done. *5.Testing the different prototypes, to the reliability and beefiness that we all have come to know and expect from MDArms (pretty much 2nd to none). *6.Stock piling product for the immense amount of orders that will UNDOUBTEDLY FLOOD his dealer network upon release. 7.All the while continuing production and distribution of MD20's. Design, production and distribution of the MD Molot grip, V-plug and trigger guard. EDIT; I forgot design, production and distribution of both of the MD arms gas pistons. I can see these double stack mags taking some time to surface! *Speculation at this point, only a handful of people actually really know whats going on. Edited March 30, 2012 by Mullet Man 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
m4fever 3 Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I just spent some time reading the patent application, and looking at the diagrams. I see exactly why he waited to patent it. It is a perfect example of the KISS principal in action. It solves the problem with different shell lengths, and the transition of the follower up the tapered housing. Its brilliant. I can just see some copycat look at his design thinking duh, why didn't we think of that. Lets copy it and make lots of money. Mike deserves all of the credit and profit from sales. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azkamidaka 26 Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Amen, promag basically screwed him on their drum design. "Oh but they added a loading latch thingy" F that. Mikes being smart, making sure money comes to his family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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