SaigaMaster411 0 Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Is it legal to modify foriegn made 10 round ak mags to be able to use in the saigas without adding any US made parts to the saiga. How about foriegn made 30 round ak mags. What about using US made ak mags? Is it legal to modify 10 or 30 round ak US made mags without adding any US made parts to the saiga?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 you can use 5 and ten rounders but if you go above that you gotta do us parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 dont forget the feedramp! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saul 0 Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 When you use U.S. made plus-ten-cap. mags you have just added 3 U.S. Made parts and must replace only one more on the rifle. When you use foreign made mags you must replace four parts, and a muzzle attachement and pistol grip don't count for those four because the Saiga never had them during import. If you modify ak mags to work only in the Saiga I believe you still must add the four U.S. made parts. That is my opinion and its a gray areas as far as gov't documentation to support it, but better safe than sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Do modified magazines count as US parts when modified in the US?? What about modified magazines with US made followers and floor plates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvasqu03 21 Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Do modified magazines count as US parts when modified in the US?? What about modified magazines with US made followers and floor plates? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, you can not modify a gun part enough for ATF to consider it to have been made in the US. It has to be completely manufactured in the US. Remember though, the magazine isn't considered a gun part. Three of it's components are. These are the body, floorplate and follower. If you use a modified foreign magazine body with US made follower and floorplate, you're still adding one more foreign part(mag body) into the gun any time you insert it. In other words, you can't "americanize" the magazine by using a majority of US parts, because each of the parts is being counted individually anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-RotorDemon- 0 Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Do modified magazines count as US parts when modified in the US?? What about modified magazines with US made followers and floor plates? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hahaha.. Yeah I asked the same thing. On my AK mags since I didn't want to do any mods to the Saiga itself, was to file it accordingly and put a small domed head screw in the front of the mag for a ramp. Works awesome. I'll see if I can get a better picture when my stupid neighbor gives my digicam back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 look in here about hig cap mags http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=5248 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Hey RotorDemon cool idea with the domed screw! I haven't seen that one before. Does that eliminate the need to install feed ramp in the gun? How much testing have you done? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hoop762 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hey RotorDemon cool idea with the domed screw! I haven't seen that one before. Does that eliminate the need to install feed ramp in the gun? How much testing have you done? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah man. thats a cool idea!! i never heard that one before. Cant wait to see some more pics. Let us know how those work out. Gotta love that american ingenuity!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-RotorDemon- 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hey RotorDemon cool idea with the domed screw! I haven't seen that one before. Does that eliminate the need to install feed ramp in the gun? How much testing have you done? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah man. thats a cool idea!! i never heard that one before. Cant wait to see some more pics. Let us know how those work out. Gotta love that american ingenuity!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Yes it does eliminate the need for a feed ramp, and for testing I have put 1300 rounds through the gun the majority was through the mag pictured above, plus I modded another 30 round mag and have no problems with that one. I have had two rounds in the beginning that did not feed directly into the barrel that the bullet sat on the rim of the barrel, fixed that by turning the screw out 1 turn or so. Originally it was going to be a temporary mod until I could figure out how to weld up a bridge on the AK mag. but it works so well, I said screw it. I posted a bump fire video here and used the mag that is in the picture above. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=5115 The reason why I did not want to install a feed ramp is because I don't want to modify any of the internal parts, add or drill to the reciever. Still no word on my digicam, I'll pound on his door tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oak 3 Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Gotta love that american ingenuity!!! Yep human ingenuity is amazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownwood 11 Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Hey RotorDemon cool idea with the domed screw! I haven't seen that one before. Does that eliminate the need to install feed ramp in the gun? How much testing have you done? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah man. thats a cool idea!! i never heard that one before. Cant wait to see some more pics. Let us know how those work out. Gotta love that american ingenuity!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Yes it does eliminate the need for a feed ramp, and for testing I have put 1300 rounds through the gun the majority was through the mag pictured above, plus I modded another 30 round mag and have no problems with that one. I have had two rounds in the beginning that did not feed directly into the barrel that the bullet sat on the rim of the barrel, fixed that by turning the screw out 1 turn or so. Originally it was going to be a temporary mod until I could figure out how to weld up a bridge on the AK mag. but it works so well, I said screw it. I posted a bump fire video here and used the mag that is in the picture above. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=5115 The reason why I did not want to install a feed ramp is because I don't want to modify any of the internal parts, add or drill to the reciever. Still no word on my digicam, I'll pound on his door tomorrow. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What size screw did you use? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-RotorDemon- 0 Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Scuse the mess, she needs to be cleaned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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IndyArms 10,184 Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 I have just two questions on that... Did you have to drill a small pilot hole first? or just thread that sucker in between the steel folds? On my mags theres hardly ANY room for a screw to thread in.. ALso.... Did you have to remove a small amount of metal on the front of the follower at all? thanks!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Great pics and awesome idea!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-RotorDemon- 0 Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 (edited) I have just two questions on that... Did you have to drill a small pilot hole first? or just thread that sucker in between the steel folds? On my mags theres hardly ANY room for a screw to thread in.. ALso.... Did you have to remove a small amount of metal on the front of the follower at all? thanks!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I did drill a small pilot hole first, I don't remember the size offhand but it was smaller than the screw itself, put the screw in and let it thread itself in, backed it out and cut a bit off the screw so it wouldn't protrude out of the bottom, on both mags a bit of the metal got forced inwards so after you are done with the mod, take a pair of pliers and just squeeze it back into place. One thing I haven't done and would encourage others (if they were going to do this) is to use some thread locker on it. because it could walk, either up or down. This should be done at your risk only, I'm not to be held liable for any damage or injury. Follower as in where the screw is sitting on? If so, I did not. (Still a greenhorn) Edited May 7, 2005 by -RotorDemon- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 hmm also for a more ghetto way...you can cut a piece of coathanger to fit in the gap....then a smaller piece to go in the little hole in the front catch to "Reinforce" the piece in the gap and epocy them in and it will work great i had a 10 round mag i did this too and it worked great for like 500+ rounds...still works just havn't been using it as much Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-RotorDemon- 0 Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Just put 2000 rounds through it now. GEEZ that wolf ammo is dirty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phila PD 0 Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Can you do us a favor and see if you can find what sized drill bit you used to drill the magazine and maybe shown us on a unmod'ed mag where exactly you did drill. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lithium 0 Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I just got a romainian 75round AK drum and modifyed it to fit in my saiga. It just arrived today. so, I decided to take it out and test it. It worked perfect. no jambing, nothing. Ill post picz later tonight when my buddy brings my gun back. It is c0ol! I suggest every saiga owner have 1! It only took but 5 minutes to modify it. I just had to file down the mag's back post down to fit under(or in)the mag release Just thaught i would let yall know John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffmccracken 0 Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I moded a mag but instead of using the screw, I just used some solder to build up a bump that simulated the screw. I scraped off some of the black finish along the edge of the mag where the screw would normally sit. I then heated up some solder, let it drip down into the cavity where the screw would go and then built up a bump of solder, letting the surrounding mag area heat up real nice. I haven't shot it yet, but running the bolt action, it feeds 20 rounds real nice. No need to drill any holes or bend metal with the screw insertion. This would also probably work real well in conjunction with the "ghetto" method described above. I really appreciate this site and the little tips that come through here. JeffM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrGrey 0 Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I moded a mag but instead of using the screw, I just used some solder to build up a bump that simulated the screw. I scraped off some of the black finish along the edge of the mag where the screw would normally sit. I then heated up some solder, let it drip down into the cavity where the screw would go and then built up a bump of solder, letting the surrounding mag area heat up real nice. I haven't shot it yet, but running the bolt action, it feeds 20 rounds real nice. No need to drill any holes or bend metal with the screw insertion. This would also probably work real well in conjunction with the "ghetto" method described above. I really appreciate this site and the little tips that come through here. JeffM <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are going to run into a problem with the solder method. Since solder is lead (and therefore soft) it will degrade over use (quickly). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lithium 0 Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I posted some picz of my modifyed AK magz in my user gallery. If anyone has any questions about what i did just leave a reply with the picture and ill get back to ya. I also have picz of my drum and other shit. john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I talked with Pro Mag to make Saiga mags and told the mold maker what the differences with the AK magazines to the Saigas I suggested he could change one of the mold cavities to make Saiga magazines. He said he would need a Saiga magazine to see the differences and I told him he could order one to see it for himself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phila PD 0 Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 So still no update on the 20rd Saiga Magazines, I'll check back in a few weeks when I return. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RangerM9 1 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 very good ideas in this thread, i'm just posting to be able to find it again later. my father in law is a welder....thinking he could help whip one of these up once i get a 7.62 to go with my .223 RangerM9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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