zenmetsu 17 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I have not used a tornado brush before, so this came as a shock... I had to double check to make sure that the brush was not eating the chrome lining of my bore. The bore is still shiny and smooth. This gave me a bit of a scare though Should there be this much lead fouling after 300 rounds of birdshot and 40 slugs?? Seems a bit excessive to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goldenman 1 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I have not used a tornado brush before, so this came as a shock... I had to double check to make sure that the brush was not eating the chrome lining of my bore. The bore is still shiny and smooth. This gave me a bit of a scare though Should there be this much lead fouling after 300 rounds of birdshot and 40 slugs?? Seems a bit excessive to me. That's what happens when I use the tornado brush on my S 12. That tornado brush does one hell of a job huh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Are you saying that is residue left behind from previous rounds fired? That does look kind of excessive. If that really is what is being left behind and not the inside of the barrel, maybe everyone should have a tornado brush. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jsjracing 0 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Was there any cleaning during the 300 rounds or was this after shooting 300 round and then cleaning? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenmetsu 17 Posted August 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 300 then cleaning. And I tested it, it is all lead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 That residue you are seeing there is derived from the slugs you fired through your gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenmetsu 17 Posted August 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 That residue you are seeing there is derived from the slugs you fired through your gun. Thanks... but it still seems like a LOT. Using the simple copper brushes, I never saw anything like this. This is definitely convincing me to change my cleaning methods on smooth-bored firearms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
citadel 1 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 For me I can only shoot slugs at my local range and whenever I clean mine with my tornado brush, it looks the same. Between using the tornado brush and my new cleaning jag, I can keep my barrel nice and pretty. Now if I can just find a way to keep that gas tube clean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
camon 233 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 HEEEHH... I have only put 20 rounds through my S12 and I took a tornado brush to it today and all this same crap. Nice to see whoever test fired this cleaned it afterword. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I am a big fan of the tornado brush and have been for years! It is the best shotgun cleaning brush! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 For me I can only shoot slugs at my local range and whenever I clean mine with my tornado brush, it looks the same. I have the exact same constraints at my firing range.... which is why I finally decided to sell my S-20 and opt for a Saiga rifle. zenmetsu -- If you found yourself surprised by the amount of lead shavings that you removed from your barrel using the tornado brush after shooting slugs, I can't help but to wonder how many forum members here DON'T thoroughly clean their shotgun barrels using a tornado brush (because there really is no other best way to remove those lead slug deposits from the barrel). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenmetsu 17 Posted August 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 For me I can only shoot slugs at my local range and whenever I clean mine with my tornado brush, it looks the same. I have the exact same constraints at my firing range.... which is why I finally decided to sell my S-20 and opt for a Saiga rifle. zenmetsu -- If you found yourself surprised by the amount of lead shavings that you removed from your barrel using the tornado brush after shooting slugs, I can't help but to wonder how many forum members here DON'T thoroughly clean their shotgun barrels using a tornado brush (because there really is no other best way to remove those lead slug deposits from the barrel). well, other means work... hoppes will de-lead the bore, but it puts the lead into solution instead of physically scraping it out. As a result, you go through a shitload of patches to do the same thing, and you never realize the true quantity of lead being removed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I have shot many shotguns in the past, but never fired as many slugs as I do out of my Saiga. I never ran into the problem of trying to remove SO much lead until now. I discovered the Tornado brush a few months ago, and haven't looked back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goingpro 2 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 where can i get the tornado? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 where can i get the tornado? I was able to find them at all my local firearms stores (that carry shotguns). They're not uncommon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tover26 18 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Cheaperthandirt.com and midwayusa.com both have them for between $3 and $3.50 per brush, or in 10 packs for about same price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Etek 32 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Cheaper alternative which works quite well on ANY firearm is to go to any hardware or Wal-Mart and buy a pack of silverware cleaning cloths. Wrap it around your cleaning brush after cutting to fit and it pulls the lead out well. I had a severe leading issue on an old Peacemaker clone and even bought a Lee 'Lead Puller' which worked well but it only fit one caliber and didn't clean lead off the cylinder face and had to be adjusted to clean the forcing cone. The silverware cloths worked better, got lead out the brushes and Puller didn't get and $4.00 got me enough to last years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Zenmetsu, were you using a drill or did that fouling come out just from simply pulling the brush through by hand without spinning it? On smoothbores I just chuck a brass brush in an electric drill and go to town to knock everything loose. Works great. I would never, ever use the electric drill trick on a rifle. For that matter, I would never put anything made of steel (including the tornado brush) down a rifled barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenmetsu 17 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 This was just 3 passes with the tornado brush. I push it through, unscrew it and remove the rod, reattach the brush and repeat. That way it pushes all the debris out the muzzle end instead of drawing it back towards the breech when pulling the brush back through the bore. I never use steel on rifled bores and have not yet resorted to using any powertools. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genocide 0 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 For me I can only shoot slugs at my local range and whenever I clean mine with my tornado brush, it looks the same. I have the exact same constraints at my firing range.... which is why I finally decided to sell my S-20 and opt for a Saiga rifle. zenmetsu -- If you found yourself surprised by the amount of lead shavings that you removed from your barrel using the tornado brush after shooting slugs, I can't help but to wonder how many forum members here DON'T thoroughly clean their shotgun barrels using a tornado brush (because there really is no other best way to remove those lead slug deposits from the barrel). Gary, when I first bought my saiga-12 I had no idea how it worked, I shot 200 slugs through it to break it in. Well I definitely broke it, the small dust cover broke off, the carrier was slamming back because I was shooting on the open setting. After cursing and welding it back on I decided to test fire it with a 100 round pack of bird shot, being satisfied and learning the hard way I cleaned it with a normal copper brush. 1000 or so rounds later I found these amazing tornado brushes. Just like zenmetzu i thought i fucked up something else on my shot gun. Scared I did a search for Saiga-12, and that's how I found the Saiga-12 forum... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genocide 0 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Zenmetsu, were you using a drill or did that fouling come out just from simply pulling the brush through by hand without spinning it? On smoothbores I just chuck a brass brush in an electric drill and go to town to knock everything loose. Works great. I would never, ever use the electric drill trick on a rifle. For that matter, I would never put anything made of steel (including the tornado brush) down a rifled barrel. The tordano brush's are made of very soft steel, you wont hurt anything by doing a few passes in your regular cleaning routine. But putting it to a power tool, thats another story... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) This was just 3 passes with the tornado brush. I push it through, unscrew it and remove the rod, reattach the brush and repeat. Man that's awesome. I'm gonna have to try me a tornado brush. The electric drill trick is for smoothbores only, and only with brass bristles (never steel). Seems a little extreme the first time you do it, but it does no harm. Edited September 1, 2009 by aresv Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Gary, when I first bought my saiga-12 I had no idea how it worked, I shot 200 slugs through it to break it in. Well I definitely broke it, the small dust cover broke off, the carrier was slamming back because I was shooting on the open setting. After cursing and welding it back on I decided to test fire it with a 100 round pack of bird shot, being satisfied and learning the hard way I cleaned it with a normal copper brush. 1000 or so rounds later I found these amazing tornado brushes. Just like zenmetzu i thought i fucked up something else on my shot gun.Scared I did a search for Saiga-12, and that's how I found the Saiga-12 forum... To be honest... I can't remember exactly when or from where I purchased my first tornado brush. Like, I'm pretty sure I bought it immediately after receiving my Tromix S-20... but it might have been a week or two later (after having fired a few slugs through it first). I'm kinda.... anal that-o-way, I typically conduct all the online internet research possible and then buy right away every doo-hickey and thinga-ma-jig that goes with the adequate maintenance of a firearm. Maybe that stems from my 21-plus years of service in the U.S. military? I don't rightly know. BUT, I will say that it doesn't take a friggen nuclear physicist (unless he's a blind scientist... ) to look down the bore of a barrel after you believe you've cleaned it... and then see all the crap still apparently stuck on the walls of the bore from the slugs, providing you didn't use a tornado brush. The tornado brush... it is kinda a screwy looking thing, but... MAN does it work fantastically! Sorry to hear about the damage your Saiga's dust cover sustained. First hand experiences.... they can be a real MO-FO! Heck, the very last time I had my S-20 out shooting rifled slugs through it, I didn't consider (or "remember" to) turning the Gunfixr gas knob down to the number 1 setting (instead I inadvertently left it on the number 2 setting, which was appropriate for shooting bird shot). Well, it wasn't until after I fired off about 30 slugs and then went to go police up the spent shells during the range's cease fire..... that the thought dawned on me, "damn... these spent shells are friggen quite the distance out front!" DOAH!!! ~Gary Edited September 1, 2009 by Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 If you use sabot slugs you wont get the lead deposits. It's bad enough that your ports get plugged and your puck gets 1/16" thicker from all the molten plastic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally 2 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 picked one up today,they work great,even come in rifle calibers also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IPSC_GUY 3 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 For me I can only shoot slugs at my local range and whenever I clean mine with my tornado brush, it looks the same. I have the exact same constraints at my firing range.... which is why I finally decided to sell my S-20 and opt for a Saiga rifle. zenmetsu -- If you found yourself surprised by the amount of lead shavings that you removed from your barrel using the tornado brush after shooting slugs, I can't help but to wonder how many forum members here DON'T thoroughly clean their shotgun barrels using a tornado brush (because there really is no other best way to remove those lead slug deposits from the barrel). Ahhhhh that would be me... I usually just run a bore snake through mine a couple of times every couple hundered rounds are so... This thread has now SCARED ME ! ! ! Tornado must find one and not shoot till find one... IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Got my Tornado brush off the bay.; I use my Glock 10mm brush for the gas tube. Nylon, works great. I use Silicone spray for the cleanup. I vbuy it in big, cheap cans. Spray it, let it soak an hour or so and clean normally with a toothbrush and whatever. The silicone dries and won't let stuff stick next go around. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than the other "real" gun cleaners, and does just as good or better job than them. Try it and see what you think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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