Which JTE mag well: Sure Fire or APG?

[Zambidis 90]

I am getting ready to add a magwell to my S12. I was hoping people could offer opinions on which model to get the APG or the Sure Fire. I will be buying all new mags for this gun so I do not have more of one than the other already. Any in put would be appreciated, particularly if there is some compelling reason to get one over the other. Thanks.

[saigafreake 27]

i would go with the agp but thats only because i got a bunch of agps its all gonna come down to which mags are youre gonna buy.

[Azrial 1,091]

I really do not like Surefire Mags, but then again the magwell was apparently originally designed for that mag.

[shades_of_grey 1,092]

Uh, it's AGP, not APG.

 

Anyway, I vote Surefire. In contrast to Azrial, I much prefer Surefire mags to AGP mags. They're more reliable in my experience.

Edited September 28, 2009 by post-apocalyptic

[gpqueen 545]

This is like asking which is better Chevy or Ford? People will vote for that have and do not like what they do not have. Your best advice will come from people with both.

I have put thousands of rounds through both and lean towards the Surefire. They feed smoother and faster in my opinion. AGP's work good also.

Edited to say Surefire mags are easier to modify-No screws to deal with.

[Zambidis 90]

Sorry about transposing the letters in AGP. Thanks for the input thus far. I figure very few people have used both the AGP and the Surefire mag wells.

 

I have several AGPs and they have worked fine for me. I am mostly interested in which if any interface better with their respective mag well. Ease of modifying the mags seems to be a strong point for the sure fire. Does the sure fire mag well work with all their mags, ie the 8, 10, and 12 rounders? Will either mag work with 5 rounders?

[africamagical 5]

This is like asking which is better Chevy or Ford? People will vote for that have and do not like what they do not have. Your best advice will come from people with both.

I have put thousands of rounds through both and lean towards the Surefire. They feed smoother and faster in my opinion. AGP's work good also.

Edited to say Surefire mags are easier to modify-No screws to deal with.

well im on the other side of your ford v chevy card,

but you ship so god damn fast and run such a great site i might just have to let it go

 

 

edit to add chevy praise

i find the nova a more entertaining automobile over the stang

Edited September 27, 2009 by africamagical

[z34matt 1]

I originally had AGP mag wells put on two saigas, then when the higher cap surefires came out, I had to get the magwell fit to one of them to try that. I like the surefire better because it fits mags that hold more ammo, and you can get away with a less precise reload and get the mags to lock in easier.

Modify the 5 rounders correctly, and they will fit in either

Modifying mags is real easy with a belt sander. It'll take a long time with a dremel.

[kkahn 1]

The way I read it is:

 

Surefire well can be modded for AGP mags to work

or

Surefire mags can be modded to work in the AGP well

 

 

To me not having many mags yet it is a no brainer.

 

APG magwell = Use either AGP or Surefire mags (you have to mod the mags anyway)

 

KKAHN

[bigwookiee 1]

Just rember that you will not be able to fit a drum to your saiga. That is why in the end I did not get one.

[Zambidis 90]

Just rember that you will not be able to fit a drum to your saiga. That is why in the end I did not get one.

 

Yes, I have considered this. I do not own a drum currently. I also believe that the mag well and the increased ease and speed of reloads will better serve my purposes than a drum would. I might get a drum for my other S12 but either way the preclusion of a drum is a non issue for me.

[waltham_41 52]

I didnt vote for either one because I will not consider a magwell unless it will accommodate the MD20 drum.

[G O B 3,516]

I didnt vote for either one because I will not consider a magwell unless it will accommodate the MD20 drum.

 

+1 I have no use for a well that is incompatable with a drum. I think a full well on an AK is like putting a Honda Civic transmission in a 1 ton Ford dually. A better idea would be something to enhance the natural function of the AK design - more of a 1911 style beveled guide to ease mag insertion.

[HarvKY 72]

I didnt vote for either one because I will not consider a magwell unless it will accommodate the MD20 drum.

 

+1 I have no use for a well that is incompatable with a drum. I think a full well on an AK is like putting a Honda Civic transmission in a 1 ton Ford dually. A better idea would be something to enhance the natural function of the AK design - more of a 1911 style beveled guide to ease mag insertion.

 

 

Isnt that what these magwells do?

They were/are designed for competition/speed reloads of mags so speed reloading 20rd drums doesnt seem like it would be a real regular occurance?

 

Im trying to picture someone running through a combat zone with 3 or 4 20rd drums hanging off their belt :-)

 

 

HarvKY

[Crusader 64]

This magwell can come off if needed. It is only held on by three screws. You can simply remove it if you want to use a drum, go back to rock and lock, or switch out the style of magwell to except the other type of magazine. Someone could even fabricate a quick release bolt system for this magwell in the event you want to change it out quickly at the range. By no means are you stuck with it once you put it on.

 

As for me, I chose the AGP modded one and did not look back. I am very happy with it.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Crusader

[wired 27]

I like Fords for their higher decks, better valve entry angle and better bore spacing. Much easier to build a large inch free breathing high deck small block with the Windsor platform even if you don't use a single OEM part in either the Chevy or the Ford. Problem is the 4 bolt per cylinder head gasket surface on the Fords tends to leak past the 900 or so Horsepower mark. Throw money at it and and go with an aftermarket high deck Chevy with Nascar heads and a good custom intake and you can wipe the smile off the Ford guys faces.

 

I like AGP's better than Surefires. The Surefire 12 rounds need a better spring.

[Heath_h49008 442]

I like Fords for their higher decks, better valve entry angle and better bore spacing. Much easier to build a large inch free breathing high deck small block with the Windsor platform even if you don't use a single OEM part in either the Chevy or the Ford. Problem is the 4 bolt per cylinder head gasket surface on the Fords tends to leak past the 900 or so Horsepower mark. Throw money at it and and go with an aftermarket high deck Chevy with Nascar heads and a good custom intake and you can wipe the smile off the Ford guys faces.

 

I like AGP's better than Surefires. The Surefire 12 rounds need a better spring.

 

 

Just use a lockwire headgasket on the Windsor and quality fasteners.

 

As for the Surefires and AGPs, I can send you chunks of multiple failed AGP springs. I have yet to get a failure with Surefire, or Promag.

[datubie 21]

Back from the dead!!!

[GONIF 7]

AGP and I have no need for a mag well adapter. I would not want to loose the ability to use my MD 20 round drum. AGP mags have been 100 % relieable for me .

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

The way I read it is:

 

Surefire well can be modded for AGP mags to work

or

Surefire mags can be modded to work in the AGP well

 

 

To me not having many mags yet it is a no brainer.

 

APG magwell = Use either AGP or Surefire mags (you have to mod the mags anyway)

 

KKAHN

 

^^ This ^^

 

I prefer my main go to guns to be old school, rock and lock. Has nothing to do with drums. Drums are toys IMO. Big, heavy, cumbersome novelties with no real practical purpose. They waste a lot of ammo too. That said, if I do want to have one or two S-12s with magwells, I chose the factory Russian version for my first one, to keep things as close to OEM factory mags as possible. For the second one, just to try the domestic version that will work better with the less expensive domestic mags, I chose the AGP model. (for the same reason stated above) Most of my domestic mags are AGP, but I do have a few SGM mags as well. I want to be able to use both.

As far as the issue of not buying a magwell til they make one that works with the drums....I don't believe that's the real problem. The drums are not designed with a long enough feed tower to work in a magwell. For now unfortunately, it's an "either / or" thing....I'll take the stick mags any day. They can work in either the magwell or without.

 

[Heath_h49008 442]

Of course you could make a simple adapter to make a drum work in a magwell out of an old mag and a bit of time...

[bigj480 203]

Of course you could make a simple adapter to make a drum work in a magwell out of an old mag and a bit of time...

 

I'm probably going to be purchasing a JT AGP mag well soon, does anyone know if the MaxRounds drum or....."that other one" will fit in a JT mag well? I know that the mag needs to be pretty secure for reliability, but you would think that the sides could be notched for a drum to fit, but I guess the side-to-side play would cause hang ups.

[topmaul 42]

Currently the drum does not work with the magazine well however the magazine well can easily be removed.

[996pilot 0]

OK I have one promag and one surefire mag and I want to get a magwell. The APG is $30 cheaper on sale than the surefire. If all of the mags can be modded to work in either magwell my question is should I just get the APG magwell and buy surefire mags? Does the surefire mag not fit good in the APG magwell? What is the difference between the magwells? Why should I spend the $30 extra to get the surefire to use with surefire mags?

[gpqueen 545]

OK I have one promag and one surefire mag and I want to get a magwell. The APG is $30 cheaper on sale than the surefire. If all of the mags can be modded to work in either magwell my question is should I just get the APG magwell and buy surefire mags? Does the surefire mag not fit good in the APG magwell? What is the difference between the magwells? Why should I spend the $30 extra to get the surefire to use with surefire mags?

The AGP model is on clearance due to lack of sales and will not be made again. It is slightly bigger inside from front to back. The Surefire mags must have some material added to them to work correctly in them AGP magwell.

[Crusader 64]

OK I have one promag and one surefire mag and I want to get a magwell. The APG is $30 cheaper on sale than the surefire. If all of the mags can be modded to work in either magwell my question is should I just get the APG magwell and buy surefire mags? Does the surefire mag not fit good in the APG magwell? What is the difference between the magwells? Why should I spend the $30 extra to get the surefire to use with surefire mags?

The AGP model is on clearance due to lack of sales and will not be made again. It is slightly bigger inside from front to back. The Surefire mags must have some material added to them to work correctly in them AGP magwell.

I am tempted to try this. I bet that some JB weld added to the back of a surefire mag would make it work in a AGP well. This would give you a magwell that can be used with; PROMAG, AGP, and Surefire. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and try this out. Will post results at a later date.

[ALBY 0]

i just carefully sanded my surefire mags and they run good in my AGP magwell.

 

I ran about 70 rounds thru the gun last night. two minor hangups, the top of the shell digging into the top of the chamber. i just retracted the bolt a bit and let it go and both shells loaded, no problem. then i could not recreate the jam later.

 

where would you 'add material'?

 

 

PS

 

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greg at css

 

the photocopy of the instructions that came with the magwell is really bad, in that it is like a copy of a copy of a copy and you cannot see any detail in the pictures.

 

also

 

i have a lot of your parts in my gun (extended release, magwell, forearm) and i am a very satisified customer.

 

 

 

 

[Crusader 64]

i just carefully sanded my surefire mags and they run good in my AGP magwell.

 

I ran about 70 rounds thru the gun last night. two minor hangups, the top of the shell digging into the top of the chamber. i just retracted the bolt a bit and let it go and both shells loaded, no problem. then i could not recreate the jam later.

 

where would you 'add material'?

 

 

PS

 

for

 

greg at css

 

the photocopy of the instructions that came with the magwell is really bad, in that it is like a copy of a copy of a copy and you cannot see any detail in the pictures.

 

also

 

i have a lot of your parts in my gun (extended release, magwell, forearm) and i am a very satisified customer.

 

Maybe adding material is not the answer, especially if you had to sand. The important thing is that you proved that it is possible to get both types of mags to work in the same well, which was the point I intended to make.

[paintwagon 18]

Since this thread has been brought up from the depths, has anyone here had any trouble with three inch shells through either magwell? Ive committed to Surefire, but havent installed or done the mods yet. The plastic lip on the surefire mags seem like they would be prone to breaking. Anyone ever have them (either brand)pop out from the pressure and weight of 3 inch buckshot?

[ALBY 0]

I'm going to run modded surrfire mags in my ago magwell s12 at the area 8 shotgun side match today. U have not added any material but I guess people do it in the rear mag lip. Mine seem to lock up nice and tight. We shall see...