therealjarett 1 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 So I got a UTG Quad Rail today for my 7.62x39 This one And I used to have the SGM Tactical plastic one Everyone hates all over on this board on UTG And praises SGM Well here is my opinion, and I am free to say this I am not rating products over their "brand name" or "country of origin" I am rating them on how I use them and how easy they are to use The UTG Quad Rail is amazing Everyone here says it sucks, but it clamped on my Saiga so perfect Wow This thing is amazing That is all I can say It feels perfect on the rifle, looks perfect, all metal, and it doesn't wobble or move And it has about 70 rail slots on it Amazing I like it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Congrads, I say if YOU like it than that is all that matters. Not everybody is going to have the same opinion on everything and that is exactly what it is a personal opinion. I have K-var ak 103 handguards on my saiga now and i have a UTG short regular ak quadrail on the way. I got it because I want the options of putting optics and or light on my rifle and the K-var dousnt allow me to do so. Almost every review iv seen for the utg has been great and almost everyone who has had or has one says its great. If you want it get it if you dont like it than dont get it, simple as that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Everyone hates all over on this board on UTG And praises SGM Well here is my opinion, and I am free to say this I am not rating products over their "brand name" or "country of origin" I am rating them on how I use them and how easy they are to use The UTG Quad Rail is amazing People on this board compare the Airsoft UTG product with the Superior Ultimak rail system. UTG does not allow for co-witness. It riders extremely high and weighs much more than the ultimak system. All in all the UTG product is a epic failure. You think its amazing only because you are not making the proper comparison. You are misinformed. Thats about it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 People on this board compare the Airsoft UTG product with the Superior Ultimak rail system. UTG does not allow for co-witness. It riders extremely high and weighs much more than the ultimak system. All in all the UTG product is a epic failure. You think its amazing only because you are not making the proper comparison. You are misinformed. Thats about it. Who says he needs to co-witness any thing? It weighs more because it is the whole front hand guard, and has about 4 times as much rail on it. I do think it rides a little high, but I can see through my irons just fine. PS: I have never heard of a saiga x39 air soft gun, so I don't think the UTG was actually designed for one. But feel free to bash on a product that you have probably never used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Yes I dislike UTG, and with good reason because I've seen their stuff in person. I have *zero* experience with SGM. It wouldn't be fair to pass judgment on SGM gear without actually seeing it in person. Edited October 17, 2009 by aresv 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Wow. How can anyone even lift the gun in that picture? I defy anyone to make, from a standing position at 25 yards, 10 reasonably accurate shots with all that stuff hanging off the gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Wow. How can anyone even lift the gun in that picture? I defy anyone to make, from a standing position at 25 yards, 10 reasonably accurate shots with all that stuff hanging off the gun. LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Although I am new to the Saiga and AK47 in general, I received my UTG rail yesterday. I too believe for the price it is absolutely amazing. Solid fit, and IMO, doesn't weigh too much. I am not putting the UTG rubber rail covers on, as they do weigh quite a bit. Instead, I am placing some different ones that are half the weight and do not shift around, along with ladders on the bottom. I also have the Tapco vertical grip (ordered a long one by mistake and cut it down). Butt crack ugly, but just feels right in my hand. Right now I am stripping it, going to paint it OD to match the rest of the furniture and be done with it (have recently discovered Alumi-Hyde II and after baking it in a oven for 1.5 hours at 180 degrees, absolutely great stuff). It balances very well in my hands, and with the proper position of the stubby vertical grip, it feels just right, doesn't interfere with a magazine change, and I can see through the iron sights just fine. I am not interested in Co-Witnessing and plan on getting a Soviet scope for it in the future with a side mount, thus my decision. I have the Tapco Galil hand guard, and really like it, but was just missing something (too short). I humped, shot, slept with, swam, spy-rigged, rappelled, cleaned-cleaned-cleaned-cleaned a M16A1 and A2 for 21 years, and this thing feels much better in my hands. It is all in personal preference. If you like it, so be it and to hell with what anyone else thinks. Just like I use to tell my Marines, listen to EVERYONE, then weed through what you like and don't like, then go with your gut. Don't be afraid to voice your opinion, too many people are. One thing I really like about this site is that people don't hold back. Tired of the PC forums, people getting their feelings hurt, etc. Semper Fi! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Just a thought. If the UTG is made in china doesnt that void the 922 in most cases? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kolya 0 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) I helped someone I know do a conversion on their 7.62 Saiga. When he told me he had ordered this UTG quad rail, I told him all about the negative things I've heard about it, blah blah, it might just be junk. But, now that I've actually seen it myself and fired that rifle many times now (in fact, was just shooting that rifle a few hours ago) I can't find a single complaint against it... except maybe the ability to cowitness, but some people could care less. Edited October 18, 2009 by Kolya Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Mine is 'borderline' on the 922r (temp swapped my hammer till I dremel my G2 hammer down for my BHO) so I'm stuck between the Midwest Ind., the UTG, or the 'Fusion' forearm.. I'll figure it out sometime. I do like the UTG 'look'. Like an AR.. I know blasphemy (sp).. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Just a thought. If the UTG is made in china doesnt that void the 922 in most cases? It's not US made, so it is not a 922 compliant part. You'll have to make the count through other parts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kolya 0 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) By the way, the weight of the UTG rail is 12.2 oz (from leapers site). Didn't have an easy time finding the weight of the Ultimak (tube and tri rail) until I came across a post on glocktalk where a dude weighed it... gas tube: 4 oz, ACR2: 12 oz, total: 16 oz. Edited October 18, 2009 by Kolya Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 By the way, the weight of the UTG rail is 12.2 oz (from leapers site). Didn't have an easy time finding the weight of the Ultimak (tube and tri rail) until I came across a post on glocktalk where a dude weighed it... gas tube: 4 oz, ACR2: 12 oz, total: 16 oz. So if I understand you properly, the gas tube with the top mount is 4 oz only; only if you add the other three rails do you get all the extra weight. This good news to me. I'll be adding the top mount only, and since it replaces an existing part, and makes an upper handguard unnecessary, the net weight gain on mine will probably only be a couple of ounces. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Just a thought. If the UTG is made in china doesnt that void the 922 in most cases? It's not US made, so it is not a 922 compliant part. You'll have to make the count through other parts. Yes, but there is many people on here that have converted x39's with the stock hand guard. I got my count from my butt stock and FCG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I have one on my 7.62....like it alot,it does what its supposed to do very well,i could care less of anyones neg opinion of it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I have a UTG quad on my AR and I like it just fine. I think it's GAY to discriminate as far as some people do about their products. If it's a cheap, ill designed POS that does not perform the function it's supposed to...then yeah, stay far away from it. We have guys here on the forum that make far superior products that compete with some of their stuff. But when it's something as simple as a set of M-4 HGs, I'll be damned if I'm going to pay through the nose for a set from YH or someone else in the US, if I can get one that will look and perform just as good for the price I paid for mine. Now my AR is made by S&W, so I have the whole "support the American company" thing covered there. One or two commie parts are not hurtin my feelings, if they put far less of a hurtin on my wallet. But the Saiga???? WTF man? It's a damned foreign gun to start with! If I want to put a superior milled aluminum, American made HG on it from DPH, CHAOS, KROSS, etc...then I'll do it because the quality is better, not because the UTG is made overseas. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuzzKillin 21 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Everyone hates all over on this board on UTG And praises SGM Well here is my opinion, and I am free to say this I am not rating products over their "brand name" or "country of origin" I am rating them on how I use them and how easy they are to use The UTG Quad Rail is amazing People on this board compare the Airsoft UTG product with the Superior Ultimak rail system. UTG does not allow for co-witness. It riders extremely high and weighs much more than the ultimak system. All in all the UTG product is a epic failure. You think its amazing only because you are not making the proper comparison. You are misinformed. Thats about it. - I would challenge the statement about weight. The UTG actually weighs less than the stock handguard does. I would bet that the ultimak+handguard would probably weigh more, plus I think we would be splitting hairs on a couple of oz. difference which is irrelevant unless we compare all the shit that will be attached to the rails. - I agree that the ultimak is superior in that it can co-witness, but last time I priced it out, getting setup with the ultimak and a decent handguard had me up around 3X the price of the UTG. - Epic failure is just ridiculous. So far, sales seem to be going exceptionally well for the product, and most (including me) who have used it for a while, seem to really like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think it's GAY to discriminate Did you mean it's cheerful and happy to discriminate.... or were you... discriminating? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 - Epic failure is just ridiculous. So far, sales seem to be going exceptionally well for the product, and most (including me) who have used it for a while, seem to really like it. Maybe I should have said "Mega-Huge-Epic-Failure" instead. In addition to my other comments regarding this "product" I have determined that adding the words "UTG RAIL" to your gunbroker auction title decreases the likelyhood your rifle will sell by approx 50% (based on completed auctions of converted saigas over the course of 1 month). UTG: Failue? Yes. Ugly? Yes. Decreases the value of your Rifle? Yes. Worse than the Ultimak in every respect? Yes. Don't know what else to say about it guys. I am sorry you wasted your money. The economy is tough, and it sucks being a chump. But hey, don't be sad, I hear ProMag is coming out with a new line of gear for you fellas, so we will have something else to argue about in the coming weeks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 - I would challenge the statement about weight. The UTG actually weighs less than the stock handguard does. I weighed the stock handguard at just a hair under 8 ounces, and someone reported in this thread that the UTG rail weighed over 12 ounces. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Krom 36 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I have one on my .223 and I love it! I have two other saiga's w/ultimak gas tubes and I like both setups. On the UTG setup, sure it is not as low as the ultimak but I'd feel more comfortable putting an eotech on an UTG than an ultimak anyday due to the UTG disapating the heat much better! The little extra height is not nessariy a disavantage, IE I bet that a beryl style mount and a UTG quad rail would match up perfectly sorta like a flat top AR, throw an eotech and flip up sights on it and you have better optics and sights plus cowitness than any other AK setup I know. FYI you can also make your UTG sit alittle lower by popping off the gas tube shield on the stock gas tube (at this point the rear of the quad rail will sit lower but the front is still allittle high) then dremel down the front part of the rail that sits on the gas block so it is even height all the way down. My opinion of the UTG, it's a great product and an even better value. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
z34matt 1 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 congrats on your UTG rail, I hope you enjoy it. I've also never understood the hate towards this particular rail system. I have one on my Ak47, it does what it's supposed to, hold the propoint on the gun, and make the forend feel more comfortable than the stock one. Even if you were to hang all that stuff on there like the picture, what's it all going to add? 2? 3 pounds max? If you can't hold up 2 or 3 pounds on an already relatively light gun you should spend more time at a gym and less time bitching about a product online. As for cowitnessing, I could care less about that. I'm a competition shooter, I don't have to worry about bad guys shooting back at me and knocking my scope out and me no longer being able to aim my gun. It's a complete nonissue. I've also got an ultimak rail on 1 Saiga 12, and two Chaos rails on my other two, so it's not like I don't have the other products so don't know what I'm talking about. They all do exactly what they are supposed to, and I'm happy with them all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) Even if you were to hang all that stuff on there like the picture, what's it all going to add? 2? 3 pounds max?If you can't hold up 2 or 3 pounds on an already relatively light gun you should spend more time at a gym and less time bitching about a product online. People can buy what they want, and put on their rifle what they want, but 2 to 3 extra pounds on your rifle that far away from your body _will_ cause problems with your accuracy after a minute or so - unless all you do is shoot from a bench. And just try toting it around for a while. Edited October 20, 2009 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quikz 1 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) So I got a UTG Quad Rail today for my 7.62x39 This one And I used to have the SGM Tactical plastic one Everyone hates all over on this board on UTG And praises SGM Well here is my opinion, and I am free to say this I am not rating products over their "brand name" or "country of origin" I am rating them on how I use them and how easy they are to use The UTG Quad Rail is amazing Everyone here says it sucks, but it clamped on my Saiga so perfect Wow This thing is amazing That is all I can say It feels perfect on the rifle, looks perfect, all metal, and it doesn't wobble or move And it has about 70 rail slots on it Amazing I like it You did good...Dont let any of those fools tell you other-wise. The UTG is the Best Damn Quad Rail for the money that is avail on the mkt PERIOD. That said. I keep my stock grip handy, cause in NJ, they put you into "Re-Education" camps for things that are not even illegal in the 1st place. Also, it is admirable to get the AK100 handguards to maintain that authentic look, is the ONLY reason not to get the UTG. Or just buy a bunch of different products and put on whatever is in your "Flava of the Week" thingy... But the UTG performed as advertised on my x39 and then some. I've unloaded a couple hundred rounds with it. NO ISSUES. And this is for all the naysayers: Edited October 20, 2009 by quikz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 i just got my utg ak47 quad rail(not the saiga specific one)in today and its awesome. The option to put what ever you want on it is great, but most importantly the ergonomics of it is the best. I think with the rail covers on it it feels better to ME than my saiga does with the K-var ak 103 handguard on it. Not putting down the k-var handguard but to ME the utg feels better. By the way the K-var ak 103 US made handguard is great too. +1 on the utg JMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norinco982lover 6 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 i just got my utg ak47 quad rail(not the saiga specific one)in today and its awesome. The option to put what ever you want on it is great, but most importantly the ergonomics of it is the best. I think with the rail covers on it it feels better to ME than my saiga does with the K-var ak 103 handguard on it. Not putting down the k-var handguard but to ME the utg feels better. By the way the K-var ak 103 US made handguard is great too. +1 on the utg JMHO Did you have to get the bolt on retainer and a new gas tube to fit the shorter quad rail? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 i just got my utg ak47 quad rail(not the saiga specific one)in today and its awesome. The option to put what ever you want on it is great, but most importantly the ergonomics of it is the best. I think with the rail covers on it it feels better to ME than my saiga does with the K-var ak 103 handguard on it. Not putting down the k-var handguard but to ME the utg feels better. By the way the K-var ak 103 US made handguard is great too. +1 on the utg JMHO Did you have to get the bolt on retainer and a new gas tube to fit the shorter quad rail? No, its best to get a new gastube with the retainer on it for precationary measures. I have a modified ak LHG retainer but im not using it, just a east german gas tube i got from k-var that needed a shit load of filling to make it fit. get a ak 74 gas tube or i hear the romainian are a good fit also. The only downside iv had with the utg is my setup. i cant figure out if i want to put my foward grip w/ or without the flashlight or just have my bushnell trophy automatic red dot on it. there are too many options.PS if you are going to use the factory gas tube you have to take off the heat shield. hope this helps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11sec_lx 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 +1 for the fit and quality of the UTG. Bought one, along with their folding vertical grip and red dot at my local gun show yesterday and installed last night. Gun does not feel heavy up front in the least. If that feels heavy to some, then maybe they should hit the weight room. Should be lifting anyway. My $.02 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rockina 60 Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I didn't need to have a US handguard for 922 compliance, so I bought a UTG #SG39 Quad Rail yesterday and put it on my Saiga 7.62 last night, the fit finish and quality are GREAT, easy to install plus it sure isn't going to move and I also like the pads that go on the rail. Going to be listing my extra parts for sale here in a couple days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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