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I have seen many posts that will cause risk of jail on this forum!!

 

You CANNOT alter 5 round mags to accept more rounds, or even 4 rounds of steel hull, if it can then also accept 6 standard rounds.

 

You CANNOT legally install a pistol grip, or a thumbhole stock!!

 

I would also be very careful about importing 8 round mags , they must be manufactured pre '94, and I would still check with the proper authorities.

 

The assault ban sunsets this year, and the ATFE is looking for test cases; rulings on these issues have been issued and are clear. You will lose the case!! And if by some miracle you do not lose the case, you will spend 10 years of your life, and $50,000 + defending yourself!!

 

This is not a joke, you will be raided, and will lose everything before you even realise what has happened.

 

In my opinion these laws cannot be considered even marginally constitutional, but it is these exact same code sections that caused Waco, Ruby Ridge and about a dozen somewhat lesser disasters.

 

Be very careful what you get yourself into.

 

We are in the advanced stages of socialist legislature. You can become a felon in the privacy of your basement without hurting a single living creature. You no longer have to be a criminal to go to jail.

 

And God forbid, if a Democrat is elected this term you will be hung out to dry and labeled a terrorist for the slightest firearms infraction.

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The assault ban sunsets this year, and the ATFE is looking for test cases; rulings on these issues have been issued and are clear. You will lose the case!! And if by some miracle you do not lose the case, you will spend 10 years of your life, and $50,000 + defending yourself!!

 

This is not a joke, you will be raided, and will lose everything before you even realise what has happened.

 

I am hearing the same thing 100% from the LE in my area as well. People are so paranoid of terrorism these days, private gun owners are getting a bad deal is what it basically comes down to.

 

Also - Ammo laws are getting crazy as well. Be SURE you can legally possess that stuff in your state/town/city BEFORE you buy it, are out on a hunt, or bring it to the range.

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:smoke: OK ,here I go- first of all-welcome Richard,will you be joining our group?

 

Regarding the 'becoming a felon in your own home/basement' comment-you can thank the- I HATE THE ACRONYM-PATRIOT act and all of its ramifications,in somme ways it is like the USSR- spy and turn in your neighbor for ANYTHING.

Our first 10 Constitutional Ammendments are all on their way out,our rights are going away and people are like 'well if it makes me feel safer,I will give them up' fuckin sheep-they want the government to take care of them and make all decisions for them---remember-'A GOVERNMENT THAT CAN GIVE YOU EVERYTHING IS STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY FROM YOU'-I think good old T.Jefferson said that.

Regarding the test cases exactly WHAT KINDS of test cases? When the assault ban sets,there should no longer be a ban on hicap mags federally-states are still the pains they are already-and ,I know it is going to be a pain to sort out-AFTER the Ban sets in september,p-grips,thumb hole stocks,folding stocks,etc SHOULD all be legal-NOW HAVING SAID THAT_ the big 'rub' is going to be.......1.Can you buy and modify one or buy one that is already 'dressed up' after Sept.? 2. If you bought one before the ban set-i.e. 'post 94 ban' can you tart it up or must it remain'as is' due to purchasing date having been 'pre Sept. '04? Can any 'post 94 ban rifle-AR,AK,FN,etc NOW be modified to get it more original or are these weapons still going to be stuck in their current configuration-essentially 'grand fathered post ban weapons'. 3. Are new rifles and shotguns now going to be 'preban'? Will they have the month/year of mfg now be stamped on them in order to differentiate? I am glad the ban will be gone-unless some F*&^$^&& politician-reading this 'POS-STEIN?-tries to pull a 'SNEAK ATTACK' and get something through, but it is going to be a bit dodgy for a while.

 

Bvamp-what crazy ammo laws are you now hearing about and what ARE you hearing from LE-are getting super paranoid or what,I really would like to know-over here on the west coast of the 'PRKal' we do not here SHIT everthing with the LE is a 'state secret'.

 

 

Here is the last point I would like to make- IF/WHEN there is a terrorist attack,and unless it is a kami-bomber, I would think that it would behoove all of us to do our best to protect the country and our fellow citizens-cops cannot be everywhere and I think it would take the military too long to respond. In this respect we become the militia the 2nd gives us the right to be,I mean,I wonder how many bombers could have been stopped if someone saw a kamibomber racing towards a building,etc and took the a-hole out before he detonated.I will also say this-if I EVER hear gunshots or explosions near me,I am arming myself and if some bastard runs through or by my house and is spraying rounds or tossing grenades-if I have a shot,I am taking it!

One more-when arriving home yesterday-I noticed 4 cop cars and a cop Yukon across the street from me and 2 of the cops were running around with their shotguns out-WELL I sure made sure NOBODY had gotten in my house,I checked my garage,shed,back yard,etc,and let me say I was NOT only armed with a flashlight!

 

Thanks for all the great conversations and topics as usual guys! Stay safe and ALWAYS take notice of your surroundings

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Great points guys.As near as I can de-cipher fed rules.Shuotguns detachable mag 5 round max. Many state laws 3 round IN weapon for hunting-requires 2 round mag(due to 2+1)Do not lose your gun because you also have a 5 round mag "in possesion" this could be in gear bag or even vehicle if you piss off the wrong LEO/warden/ DNR.

 

Also shotgun detachable mag NO other "EVIL"features. The rule banning large cap. mags is the same one that makes streetsweepers illeagal.They became"weapons with no sporting purpose". I am serious about painting my SAIGA-12 cammo and putting pheasant and deer decals on stock and handguard. There is no need to feed the paranoids - we all love to rattle their chains,but we will be better served working to return logic and intelligence to firearms regulations. Pushing these morons buttons just concentrates their attention on our hobby. It would be better to let them go back to comlaining about SUV'S.

 

Back to my SAIGA-12 Mine came with 19 inch barrell and full(1MM)choke.It loves 1/0/00 buckshot,tight pattern! To get greater flexibility,I am going to have the barrell bored for rem-choke tubes.Hastings makes an en extended rifled tube 5"called a"paradox".this should do well with sub-calibre sabot slugs the same as the Saga paradox device that seems to be made of "unobtanium"also hastings makes a "metro"barrel extension 32" long and ported to 'reduce report' I have no need for the metro but I have seen several postings of people looking for a way to practice without disturbing neighbors.

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You seem well informed on the hunting laws, which I admit I know almost nothing about....but the 5rd limit on detachable mags is still up for debate on here, I personally don't see it in the law's text, so I follow EXACTLY what is written.

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